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NaraNumas The Pun Dragon Since: Jun, 2011
The Pun Dragon
#24451: Jun 1st 2023 at 9:36:15 PM

[up]x4 I think that we'll probably end up moreso using the Light of the first to Kill Sat Zeromus to severely weaken him instead of outright kill him. Remember we're explicitly going to have to kill him IN the void to have a chance of rescuing Azdaja. Even if it ultimately ends up not working and we have to let her go (doubtful, I expect we'll get a happy ending to avoid it being All for Nothing), they're not gonna give up on the plan before that to fight him in another realm.

[up][up] As far it goes, Zero is a pretty "safe" character of the "cold loner who learns to defrost and make friends", but I'm enjoying her for pretty much the same reason, it's an old trope but it's a good one still.

Edit: got sniped into a page topper oop

Edited by NaraNumas on Jun 2nd 2023 at 7:14:28 AM

Makir Since: Feb, 2017
#24452: Jun 2nd 2023 at 5:56:43 AM

A random thought occured to me while browsing the FFXI wiki. That game has a bunch of game modes named after military tactics and terms, such as Ambuscades, Assaults, Skirmish, Sortie, etc.

Not once do they use 'Raid'. I just found that funny.

ScubaWolf from South Carolina Since: Feb, 2020
#24453: Jun 2nd 2023 at 10:06:45 AM

Gaia, I'm not sure since the raids are optional.
There's precedent to make them mandatory. Remember, CT was optional, until 5.3 when they made it mandatory. They could do the same thing here, and it wouldn't be out of place.

Edited by ScubaWolf on Jun 2nd 2023 at 1:07:54 PM

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Perseus from Australia Since: Nov, 2009 Relationship Status: Mu
#24454: Jun 2nd 2023 at 2:43:10 PM

I'm very much of the opinion that the raids should be mandatory and having to dance around the possibility of a player not having done them just weakens the narrative.

Edited by Perseus on Jun 2nd 2023 at 7:43:27 PM

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Karxrida The Unknown from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
The Unknown
#24455: Jun 2nd 2023 at 2:58:00 PM

Especially since stuff like Alexander's ability to time travel and the Omega storyline both have major repercussions in future expansions.

If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#24456: Jun 2nd 2023 at 3:01:35 PM

And Gaia is the first raid character to get a voiced part.

OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#24457: Jun 2nd 2023 at 3:29:33 PM

And Pandaemonium gives a proper conclusion to Elidibus and the themes of Shadowbringers.

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RedHunter543 Team Rocket Boss. Since: Jan, 2018 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#24458: Jun 2nd 2023 at 3:30:57 PM

Sometimes I wonder how Endwalker would have been received if it was Athena who set things in motion rather than Hermes.

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OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#24459: Jun 2nd 2023 at 3:32:49 PM

She would have exploited the apocalypse and Meteias attempt to speed up the heat death of the universe to achieve Godhood.

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Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#24460: Jun 2nd 2023 at 3:51:28 PM

She would not have wiped memories nor placed herself as the hero or fooled Emet in thinking she was a decent person.

Emet likely would have just killed her.

OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#24461: Jun 2nd 2023 at 3:59:07 PM

That’s not entirely true. She could have brainwashed others using the Heart of Sabik to get the solution she wants, since Auracite outright ignores protections even Ancients have against things like tempering, and enthralling one person they care about let’s her brainwash others using her targets.

That’s how Hephaistos who is enslaved to Athena’s will did to Hesperos and the like. All she has to do is manipulate Hermes a little and it would be easy to exploit him.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Jun 2nd 2023 at 4:01:20 AM

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RedHunter543 Team Rocket Boss. Since: Jan, 2018 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#24462: Jun 2nd 2023 at 4:01:48 PM

I am talking about how people would have received Athena as a hypothetical Big Bad responsible for Meteion in Endwalker rather than Hermes.

But thinking of the alternate scenario that would occur for Athena to be in the position of Big Bad of Endwalker is interesting.

I'll teach you a lesson about just how cruel the world can be. That's my job, as an adult.
ScubaWolf from South Carolina Since: Feb, 2020
#24463: Jun 2nd 2023 at 4:07:24 PM

Athena being the Big Bad is what I had originally hoped for. For it to turn out that she helped set the ball in motion or happened to be the one Azem was fighting when the Sundering occurred. Basically she makes for the PERFECT True Final Boss for the entirety of the storyline...a shame that's not what we got (though we did get something good from Pandaemonium).

Edited by ScubaWolf on Jun 2nd 2023 at 7:08:28 AM

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Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#24464: Jun 2nd 2023 at 4:10:23 PM

Comically evil vs tragically evil. You really can’t write both the same and you would get a completely different reaction. But it would be quite a bit more clear that Meteion was essentially an abuse victim led completely the wrong way.

Bexlerfu Khatun of the Azim Steppe from Mol Iloh Since: Nov, 2020
Khatun of the Azim Steppe
#24465: Jun 2nd 2023 at 5:51:08 PM

I'm very much of the opinion that the raids should be mandatory and having to dance around the possibility of a player not having done them just weakens the narrative.

I'm very much of the opinion that they should not if they wish to keep growing their player base and/or to have enough newcomers to replace those who leave.

When you've been playing for a while it seems easy enough, but doing 12 raids' worth of story, queue time including, can be a massive "Nope" moment for people in a game where everything is tied to completing the now very, very long Main Story Quest. Especially on older content and if you're maining a DPS. This stuff can't be done with NPC.

I have no idea how long it would take to only do the mandatory content in XIV to unlock (not do, unlock) all the currently available stuff, but it's quite obviously in the dozens of hours, and I wouldn't be surprised if we were closer to 100 hours than 50.

Plus doing so is usually accompanied with the difficulty being toned down so that it doesn't become a gigantic wall, prompting some other players to loudly complain - see Orbonne.

Their current approach of doing it little by little (CT, Ivalice) is the right one IMO. Maybe Eden will be the next on the list but they absolutely shouldn't suddenly decide that reaching endgame is arbitrarily 30 hours longer because you need to do Alex, and Mhach, and the Triad, and the Auspices, and Omega, and Eden, and Werlyt, and...

Edit: Plus they can just decide to straight up show Gaia in 6.5 and spoil her honestly, just like as of today, you can kill Golbez without ever having levelled a Lancer, go back to Gridania, get a Dragoon, and meet for the first time an edgy Dragoon named Estinien Varlineau. A vast majority of people do at least the multiplayer content when they reach the end of an expac, so the number of people who would get to that point and say "who's that girl" is probably dramatically low.

It might grow with time as more people beeline towards MSQ, but I won't be shocked if Eden eventually becomes mandatory down the line. It's the most likely candidate in that club too after a revamped Coils considering how central to the global theme of Light/Dark it is.

Edited by Bexlerfu on Jun 3rd 2023 at 8:17:38 PM

reppuzan Since: Dec, 2014
#24466: Jun 3rd 2023 at 2:48:57 PM

I think I've asked this before, but Elidibus' folder is almost completely blocked out with spoiler tags because of revelations in Shadowbringers. Should I just make his folder "Unmarked Spoilers for Shadowbringers" because it's really, realy hard to talk about him without mentioning those things?

Edited by reppuzan on Jun 3rd 2023 at 2:49:07 AM

RedHunter543 Team Rocket Boss. Since: Jan, 2018 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#24467: Jun 3rd 2023 at 2:49:58 PM

Go for it.

I'll teach you a lesson about just how cruel the world can be. That's my job, as an adult.
NaraNumas The Pun Dragon Since: Jun, 2011
The Pun Dragon
#24468: Jun 4th 2023 at 2:06:29 AM

Having a moment of brain fart, would it be an example of Not the Intended Use that Dancer tends to actually be on the higher side of DPS with endgame gear and power creep combined with mobility, instead of the "weak but important support" they're designed as? Or is that square peg round trope.

Edited by NaraNumas on Jun 4th 2023 at 4:08:55 AM

RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#24469: Jun 4th 2023 at 2:34:14 AM

Hm, I wouldn't think so. Not least because the devs definitely keep a pretty close eye on things balance-wise every patch, so it's hard to say something like that is unintended.

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NaraNumas The Pun Dragon Since: Jun, 2011
The Pun Dragon
#24470: Jun 4th 2023 at 3:55:34 AM

I ended up going with a different way of phrasing it after thinking it over, yeah.

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#24471: Jun 4th 2023 at 4:08:53 AM

If played right pretty much anyone does more damage than the physical range. However since they can dps on the go even a bad physical ranged player will out dps a bad caster and such.

NaraNumas The Pun Dragon Since: Jun, 2011
The Pun Dragon
#24472: Jun 4th 2023 at 5:10:38 AM

Sometimes there's been outliers, I think there was a point sometimes in Shadowbringers where the "weak" job ends up doing the most DPS. I think at some point in SHB Dancer wasn't top tier, but was very close to top tier, definitely moreso than it should have been for the "heavy support" job.

Bexlerfu Khatun of the Azim Steppe from Mol Iloh Since: Nov, 2020
Khatun of the Azim Steppe
#24473: Jun 4th 2023 at 5:42:27 AM

It also depends of what the current raid tier looks like. If played optimally, melee dps have an edge against mobile bosses that can be flanked or backstabbed. But if it's a static boss without sides or a back, then they lose that advantage.

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#24474: Jun 4th 2023 at 5:51:59 AM

[up] If the boss is static without sides, every attack will do damage if it was being flanked or rear.

This also happens on some enemies that are really small as well. You can tell those what those enemies are if their targeting circle is 2 complete circles instead of disappearing in the rear.

asterism from the place I'm at Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#24475: Jun 4th 2023 at 10:25:52 AM

Dancer has a pretty simple rotation, it's easy to keep doing it in the background while you're dealing with All The Shit

Edited by asterism on Jun 4th 2023 at 10:26:04 AM

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