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Pichu-kun ...
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Dec 3rd 2018 at 1:37:12 PM

[up] That's not really the issue. It's just the idea of two unrelated people looking like identical strangers seems odd. If there was a few centuries difference then it could be passed off as reincarnation or pure coincidence.

KuroBaraHime ☆♥☆ from Somewhere...I think
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Dec 3rd 2018 at 5:16:50 PM

Hyrule Historia confirmed that not only is the Hero's Shade the Hero of Time, but TP Link is his descendent. So that also confirms not every Link (even not counting WW Link) are reincarnations. Though I guess it's up to you if this is normal, or if OoT refused to pass on and reincarnate or something.

Also, on the subject of Oracle's placement in the timeline, while the Historia puts it inbetween ALttP and LA with the same Link as them, the more recent Hyrule Encyclopedia places them after LA, with a different Link and Zelda.

lycropath Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
Dec 3rd 2018 at 5:19:31 PM

The English version of the Hyrule Encyclopedia keeps them as the same Link and Zelda I think.

Edited by lycropath on Dec 3rd 2018 at 5:19:52 AM

HeraldAlberich from Ohio Relationship Status: Gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
Dec 3rd 2018 at 7:37:37 PM

[up][up] TP Link can't be OOT Link's descendant and reincarnation? I don't see any problem with a reincarnation being trained by his previous incarnation either; it's the Avatar: TLA style of past lives.

Dec 3rd 2018 at 8:21:08 PM

That was my thought. In fact, I've had a plot bunny for a fic (which I am never going to write) in my head where a Zelda has a daughter who is her immediate reincarnation. Except Queen Zelda doesn't die in childbirth or anything convenient like that, she just has to deal with the fact that her daughter is technically herself from the future. And the reason they are aware of this is because Princess Zelda occasionally remembers things from her previous life before they've actually happened.

Like she's taken hostage and she's completely calm because she remembers that the whole thing is resolved soon without anyone getting hurt.

Dec 3rd 2018 at 8:30:27 PM

The Doylist explanation for these discrepancies with the timeline is Miyamoto said he often writes the stories of the Zelda games and his games in general as standalone tales.

You can definitely tell with some Zelda games like Four Swords Adventures, which is essentially a retelling of the mythos.

Aonuma is more interested in having a clear timeline.

Related note, the timeline in Hyrule Historia specifically says it isn't absolute and may be contradicted by later games.

Edited by Monsund on Dec 3rd 2018 at 8:31:37 AM

RAlexa21th Cuteness lover from California Relationship Status: I <3 love!
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Dec 3rd 2018 at 8:33:23 PM

nvm

Edited by RAlexa21th on Dec 3rd 2018 at 8:34:09 AM

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Dec 3rd 2018 at 8:39:17 PM

The first time multiple Links was explicit, at least in Western territories, was Wind Waker to my recollection.

Wind Waker Link seemed more inexperienced and comical then the other Link's up to that point. I still remember the Tower of Gods scene. OOT and MM Link seemed more of a straight man.

KuroBaraHime ☆♥☆ from Somewhere...I think
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Dec 3rd 2018 at 9:08:36 PM

Miyamoto doesn't write the plot of any of the Zelda games though. He's the producer or general producer on almost every game, so he has some creative input, but he hasn't had a more direct role in making the games since the NES original and doesn't really come up with the stories.

Dec 3rd 2018 at 9:21:42 PM

It has been(source) said that Miyamoto rewrote Four Swords Adventures, but yes many of the newer Zelda games plots are done by Aonuma.

KuroBaraHime ☆♥☆ from Somewhere...I think
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Dec 3rd 2018 at 10:02:19 PM

Aonuma doesn't exactly write the plots either. As producers or directors Miyamoto and Aonuma do come up with or help come up with premise of the games and have final say on what makes it, but saying they write the games' plots is ignoring the other directors and script writers who are heavily involved in making the games' plots.

Dec 3rd 2018 at 10:03:30 PM

I'm aware, wasn't trying to imply Aonuma was the sole writer of the Zelda plot lines.

32ndfreeze If you get yourself killed I will skin you alive from Australia Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
If you get yourself killed I will skin you alive
Dec 4th 2018 at 3:32:27 AM

@Discar

In that hypothetical fic.

Would that Zelda be a Zelda meaning they'd know they would be about to live in interesting times?

Again.

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Durazno All business! from Academia Relationship Status: Drift compatible
All business!
Dec 4th 2018 at 6:02:16 AM

Her daughter is future her. "Not again! We just sealed that jerk away for all time!"

Ultimatum ◕_ from England Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
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Dec 4th 2018 at 6:07:06 AM

It occurs to me that Zelda and Link are like the Nameless One from Planescape,cursed to a constant cycle of reincarnation

Shocked,surprised and a little concerned
Weirdguy149 The most dangerous salesman from Sega Headquarters Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
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Dec 4th 2018 at 6:22:53 AM

It's better than poor Ganondorf who has to resurrect several times while slowly losing his mind.

SEGA SATURN!
Ultimatum ◕_ from England Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
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Dec 4th 2018 at 6:32:50 AM

Just like the Nameless One!

At some point journals written by past heros are going to be a thing

Shocked,surprised and a little concerned
Rytex That Guy With The Face from Here. Relationship Status: RelationshipOutOfBoundsException: 1
That Guy With The Face
Dec 4th 2018 at 6:48:44 AM

The first clue to overt Link Continuity we had was in TWW and TP, after all, what with statues of the Hero of Time, and the Hero's Shade being very familiar with the Hero's Legend (and now having been confirmed to have been a past Link).

Peditum olfactum est peditum iactum.
HeraldAlberich from Ohio Relationship Status: Gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
Dec 4th 2018 at 7:15:30 AM

[up][up] They kind of are, in BOTW. The King of Hyrule was relying on 10,000-year-old legends for his Ganon-fighting strategy. He knew enough about the hero-and-princess dynamic to attempt to engineer it. What he didn't know was how to update the virus protection on his ancient war machines.

Rytex That Guy With The Face from Here. Relationship Status: RelationshipOutOfBoundsException: 1
That Guy With The Face
Dec 4th 2018 at 7:17:45 AM

Dude probably used McAfee when he should have used Malwarebytes.

Peditum olfactum est peditum iactum.
scionofgrace from somewhere in my head Relationship Status: Non-Canon
Dec 4th 2018 at 7:38:29 AM

I became aware of the "multiple heroes" thing when Ocarina came out, because it's the prequel to LttP.

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Nohbody "In distress", my ass. from Somewhere in Dixie Relationship Status: Mu
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Dec 4th 2018 at 3:24:15 PM

[up][up], [up][up][up] No, he just forgot to reset the passwords.

It turns out that 1-2-3-4-5 is not a secure password. That's the kind of thing an idiot puts on their luggage.

tongue

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Anomalocaris20 Your tears are delicious from Sagittarius A* Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
Your tears are delicious
Dec 4th 2018 at 3:27:29 PM

I bet he probably just clicked on an ad telling him he won a free Sheikah Slate.

Edited by Anomalocaris20 on Dec 4th 2018 at 6:27:54 AM

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Ultimatum ◕_ from England Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
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Dec 4th 2018 at 3:30:19 PM

Ganon brute forced,it happens

Shocked,surprised and a little concerned
Weirdguy149 The most dangerous salesman from Sega Headquarters Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
The most dangerous salesman
Dec 4th 2018 at 4:49:04 PM

I mean, if Subspace Emissary taught us anything, it's that Ganon knows how to use computers.

SEGA SATURN!

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