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Because Kinkajou told me to.

So yeah, anything about Final Fantasy! I guess this would make a good starting point: Which are your favorite games in the series and why?

My two all-time favorites are tied between Final Fantasy V and Final Fantasy IX. They're both very fun games that don't take themselves too seriously while still being legitimately emotional. On top of that, Zidane is my favorite Final Fantasy lead in the entire series. He's light-hearted, fun, and a generally nice guy to be around. FFV also has the advantage of having one of, if not the best, Job System in an FF game. Both FFV and FFIX make characters customizable while keeping them all unique in their own way. I'm also very fond of Final Fantasy I; it hasn't aged well, but it's classic, and like FFV, I played it tons as a kid.

I assume we'll drift around to various other FF-related discussions as the topic grows, right?

edited 3rd Nov '09 4:22:18 AM by Stark Maximum

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#37401: Jan 26th 2016 at 12:43:31 PM

Well XIII lore spoilers, tagged since we have someone playing XIII but no direct spoilers.

Humans are just tools to the higher Fal'Cie, Cocoon Humans were crafted by Lindzei to basically be his personal army to open Etro's Gate to find Mwynn. Lesser Fal'Cie are tasked with support jobs for the army.

Gran Pulse humans were tools too but are subjected to Pulse's Survival Of The Fittest policies and he predicted that the strongest would open the Gate. Pulse Fal'Cie were tests, challenges and occasional support to craft that strong person.

edited 26th Jan '16 12:44:15 PM by Memers

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#37402: Jan 26th 2016 at 1:08:30 PM

Well none of that is really important where Phoenix is at. I think "they were made to help humans' is a perfectly valid answer, if not a complete one.

edited 26th Jan '16 1:09:05 PM by Nikkolas

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#37403: Jan 26th 2016 at 3:36:46 PM

My favorite Fal'Cie is the Bulkhead Fal'Cie in the Gapra Whitewood.

It's literally a door.

Its entire purpose in life is to be a door.

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#37404: Jan 26th 2016 at 3:39:08 PM

Nah the store Fal'Cies that you access every save point are the best, they even wish you luck in chapter 12.

asterism from the place I'm at Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#37405: Jan 26th 2016 at 3:40:55 PM

[up][up] I'd love to hear its thoughts when Hope and Light are whining about being l'Cie.

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#37406: Jan 26th 2016 at 3:55:11 PM

[up][up]Wait, what?

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#37407: Jan 26th 2016 at 4:02:23 PM

I didn't know the save points were Fal'Cie.

I mean, I know the Fal'Cie as a whole are covering your tracks while you access the online retailers you access at save points, but.

Like.

Does that mean that the FFXIII equivalent of Amazon dot com is just one Fal'Cie?

edited 26th Jan '16 4:03:53 PM by unnoun

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#37408: Jan 26th 2016 at 4:04:58 PM

[up] If that were the case, I can't imagine what he thought of me as I bought 60 vials of "enigmatic fluid".

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Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#37409: Jan 26th 2016 at 4:08:34 PM

The first time you enter the shop menu in chapter 12, the scrolling text changes to a message cheering you on and asking you to end it.

In chapter 11 it tells you 'the network trail has been concealed' since its Cocoon stuff on Pulse and still helping you out.

[up][up] Lenora's garage was ran by Maqui trying to help out, but the network was a Fal'Cie or operated by one.

edited 26th Jan '16 4:11:11 PM by Memers

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#37410: Jan 26th 2016 at 4:11:18 PM

That's not the same as the shops being Fal'Cie though. Which is what you claimed.

Like, logically the machine gods that control Cocoon society can cover up your purchase records.

Which is distinct from that being the sole purpose in life for one of them.

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#37411: Jan 26th 2016 at 4:17:02 PM

The network is apparently a Fal'Cie, the interfaces are just sanctum tech to access it.

The network itself talks to you a couple of times.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#37412: Jan 26th 2016 at 4:27:25 PM

I mean, what actually gets said is vague enough that they could be talking to you through the network rather than being the network.

That seems needlessly complicated.

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#37413: Jan 26th 2016 at 4:45:04 PM

Xenogears and Chrono Cross already beat you to the "villains are monitoring you through saving" thing, XIII.

Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#37414: Jan 26th 2016 at 6:07:16 PM

I know that's just the tone of this playthrough, but is not being the first to do that really a thing to rag the game about?

Then again, Xenogears and Chrono Cross were also Square, so eh.

edited 26th Jan '16 6:08:13 PM by Enlong

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#37415: Jan 26th 2016 at 6:55:09 PM

Take note that both Xenogears and Chrono Cross had Masato Kato as writer and Hiromichi Tanaka as producer, as well as other shared workers. I wonder if that had anything to do with it.

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#37416: Jan 26th 2016 at 6:57:03 PM

Man I totally missed anything about the save points being monitored by villains in XIII.

Can anyone fill me in on what is said?

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#37417: Jan 26th 2016 at 7:09:29 PM

[up][up][up] I wasn't being that serious. Apparently Snow and Hope's whole subplot comes from some other game too but that means nothing to me. I still like it.

[up][up] Kato was not the main writer for Xenogears - that was Tetsuya Takahashi - but it's plain as day to me that his time on Xenogears profoundly influenced his work on Cross. Cross feels like Kato's attempt to do his own Xenogears but in the Chrono-verse.

edited 26th Jan '16 7:10:21 PM by Nikkolas

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#37420: Jan 27th 2016 at 5:05:01 AM

I think there was something on the log about a Fal'Cie being responsible for providing food, so it don't would be a surprise that one controlled the Internet. The Fal'Cie Fang proposed to attack and branded Dajh controlled the generation of geothermical energy, by example.

Man, FFXIII had such good ideas but handled them so badly.

edited 27th Jan '16 5:09:31 AM by MeetTheNewBoss

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#37421: Jan 27th 2016 at 5:07:20 AM

Carbuncle, the Fal'Cie in Palumpolum, provides all of Cocoon's food, which makes the fact that there really isn't anything guarding it a little worrying. Light and Hope could've potentially crippled the whole place.

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#37422: Jan 27th 2016 at 5:11:38 AM

Considering Kujata branded a child over the slightest sense of threat, branding people must be its defense. Not that the Fal'Cie themselves lack in combat ability, as we see from Anima and Barthalandeus.

You claim that God is opressing us, but I see you opressing others without needing a God.
asterism from the place I'm at Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#37423: Jan 27th 2016 at 5:25:45 AM

Also, I think there's a fal'Cie in Yusnaan in LR? Which is where most of Nova Chrysalia's food comes from.

EDIT:

The glittering city of Yusnaan is the one and only hub of production left in the world. Most industries fell to the encroaching Chaos and materials have become scarce and even impossible to attain. In this world, most of the food and goods needed for daily living are made of Pandaemonium, the last of the fal'Cie.

edited 27th Jan '16 5:26:36 AM by asterism

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#37424: Jan 27th 2016 at 6:13:22 AM

No wait, seriously, go back to the "villains are monitoring you through saves."

The network itself talks to you a couple of times.

I need to find this.

edited 27th Jan '16 6:14:12 AM by Soble

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#37425: Jan 27th 2016 at 6:28:30 AM

Well, there's the Sanctum Labs.

Sanctum Labs
"A Sanctum prototyping laboratory dedicated to the production of next-generation combat gear. Your visit to this site will not be detected by the military, l'Cie. Your access trail has been concealed by the fal'Cie from the very start."

And R&D Depot.

R&D Depot
"An experimental military research facility specializing in arms manufacture and bioweapons development. Seize the means to fulfill your focus, l'Cie. Fal'Cie power will see it delivered unto you."

And that's how it makes sense for you to buy shit from the military trying to kill you. Because the people actually in charge of said military want you to win.

Eden Pharmaceuticals also has some similar stuff, but it's vague enough that it could just be marketing?

Eden Pharmaceuticals
"A Sanctum-affiliated institution in the public sector conducting both academic and industry-sponsored research. Let Cocoon's own sciences empower you as you help to fulfill her destiny!"

edited 27th Jan '16 6:34:17 AM by unnoun


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