Cleanup Thread: MCU Character Pages

As I had already asked in one of my previous posts without receiving a response, why is May the only character who has her LMD, Framework and Lighthouse versions on her page? And BTW, none of them are "Variants" by the MCU definition (except maybe the Lighthouse version, since she's from an alternate future), so they should be renamed "Alternate Versions" or something like that.

Regarding Odin, should Sleipnir, Hugin and Munin be added to his page? Speaking of which, I think it would be better to place Odin's page above Loki's in the Main Character Index rather than below all of Loki's Variants, as it would make him easier to find and more accessible (and technically, he first appeared shortly before Loki, so it would make sense. Plus, by doing this we keep the characters from the Sacred Timeline right next to each other).

Edited by Mimic45 on Jul 3rd 2022 at 3:53:12 PM

Huh. My bad. Probably should of responded earlier.

For May, I made her page myself, so I went wikiwalking to find tropes to crosswick for her varients or alternate selves. i.e. LMD May and Framework May. Besides Coulson, I don't think anyone else has done any work to compile the alternate versions except for Framework Fitz/The Doctor. Also I updated the header to alternate versions.

For Odin, I think since Sleipnir, Hugin and Munin aren't really sapient, and function in the same role as say Lola and Mjolnir as extensions of Odin, I say yes to moving them.

Edited by GateStarX on Jul 3rd 2022 at 6:52:54 AM

I see that the "Iron Man Armors" were added to the main character page for MCU. I thought it was customary to not permit inanimate objects on the titles of characters. If otherwise, then put Mjölnir and Stormbreaker on Thor's page. Caps shield on his page and the war machine armors on Rhodey's page. Just a thought

If anything make it a note besides the character.

I took a look at the page and its got a too long notice. What should be done? Goku situation or split off the variants?

Edit: Just did a byte count on the variants. It's 10,306 bytes total. So probably not that. Maybe the Armours? but then again they are inanimate objects.

Edited by GateStarX on Jul 4th 2022 at 7:56:50 AM

even the note tag was strongly discouraged - it was already tried and was reverted. Only reserved for living (or once living self-aware entities like Ant-only, the Cloak of Levitation (yes it's a self-aware piece of outerwear), and A.I like J.A.R.V.I.S.

Don't split off variants (That will cause readers confusion). These are a fact of life due to the multi-verse. Keep the armors, shield, stormbreaker/Mjolnir on the pages, but take off "Iron Man Armors" from the index.

Edited by MasterSon on Jul 5th 2022 at 4:07:52 AM

I've given it some thought and figured that Iron Man's mainline tropes could be split off while keeping the armors and variants on his main page.

So a Dragon Ball: Son Goku situation then.

Right

That's a good idea, but before we get there, I'll go through it and see if there's misuse to cut down. Knowing how popular Tony is, his page would undoubtedly attract at least some of it, and there may be enough to cut down that the page won't need adjusting.

Edit: Yep, I was right. I started at the top and worked my way down, cutting anything I'm pretty sure is misuse, and even though I only got halfway through the C's, I found enough that the page is no longer at the too-long warning. I'll clear the rest of the page at some point later, but I don't think we're gonna need to split it off yet.

Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Jul 5th 2022 at 12:12:59 PM

Remove the "Includes Iron Man Armors" note.

This is inconsistent with the other entries - War Machine, Cap, Thor as noted in my above post. Either remove the note from Iron Man, or add the note to any with inaminate objects (Cap's shield, Thor's weapons, War Machine's armors, Pepper's armor, Spider man's suits, etc.)

What is exactly the standard through out this very wiki?

EDIT: I do see the Ten Rings are in a note under "The Manderin (Wenwu)" page

Edited by MasterSon on Jul 5th 2022 at 3:27:20 AM

Hey just FYI there’s a lot of large moves going on right now with the MCU pages.

Like what?

Angelus 25 created a page for the clandestine and moved and reorganized the other superheroes page, reindexing characters that I’m not sure should be there or not. I’m just letting everyone know.

The Clandestine page is barely 8,000 bytes, so it needs to be cut and have its members relocated back to the Dimensions page since they originated from the Noor/Light Dimension.

I think that some of the more prominent characters from the "Dimensions" article merit their own separate articles, such as Dormmamu and Kaecilius

@Angelus 25

The thing is, it is not a matter of proeminence. The rule is that the characters can only have their own page if they exceed 40,000 bytes (which is not the case for either of them, they're both around 13,000-14,000), and preferably if their original page is too long and needs to be shortened.

So now that love and thunder is out, should the Asgard, Loki, and Odin pages be reindexed under Deities? I'm not sure what to do with the nine realms pages though.

I propose that Toothgnasher and Toothgrinder be moved from Asgard to Thor's Allies, since they didn't originate on Asgard, but were gifts given to him by the aliens he "liberated" in the opening.

Or, in keeping with Odin's steed and familiars, perhaps they should be moved to Thor's page alongside Mjolnir and Stormbreaker.

I would say they are both jointly owned by Thor and Korg. So I wouldn't at this time.

I don't think anyone that was already up needs to be moved quite yet - I could see an argument for Odin, but I still feel like he's still more associated with Asgard right now than he is as a deity. I will happily say we can link to Odin from the Deities page if he's not there already, but I don't think his indexing needs altered.

However, I have one suggestion - so someone added Love, Gorr's daughter to MCU: Other Superheroes, and to me that makes no sense. It makes far more to put them alongside Gorr on the Cosmic page. Any objections to making that move? Like, the character is objectively not a superhero yet, it doesn't make sense to me.

Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Jul 9th 2022 at 12:01:16 PM

I'm a little iffy about it myself but it kind of makes sense. She ended the film going off superheroing with Thor, so the placement kind of fits.

I've been doing some work on the Cosmic page and I think that is should be split up, even without the too long warning. It's just getting too long in general, its a giant pain in the ass to find anyone.

Edited by GateStarX on Jul 9th 2022 at 10:32:07 AM

I've been thinking we could merge the Celestials and the Eternals into the same page since they're connected.

Wouldn't Gorr’s daughter fit better in the "Thor's Allies" section of the MCU: Avengers – Allies page?

I was thinking recently that we could merge the Celestials and their creations (the Eternals and the Deviants).

BTW, if you want to shorten the Cosmic page, I think the Knowhere section is long enough to have its own page.

I just made a sandbox for Celestials And Their Creations. The byte count comes in at 105,064.