Marvel Studios' She-Hulk: Attorney at Law

So long as there isn't any sudden tone shifts when they change locations, that sounds pretty good.

Dude, no need to move that stuff to this thread as well.

But yeah hoping the stakes do stay low, sounds like it's supposed to be superherows does Ally McBeal comedy, so hope it remains funny as well.

Edited by dcutter2 on Jul 13th 2022 at 8:15:52 PM

What stuff? I'm just stating what I'm hoping for, I'm not referring to anything in particular. There's actually a few Marvel-related projects I felt had very jarring tone shifts without much warning.

Honestly, I just hope that the plan adjusts to the number of episodes they have, really.

And that Bruce gets some decent focus/action as well. The Russo Brothers recently noted in a Wired interview that part of the reason he didn't get too much focus during Infinity War and Endgame was because they didn't know what to do with him because he was supposedly "too powerful".

Which is their own fault of course. Realistically speaking nothing bruce did with the hulkbuster armor is something he couldn't have done with his regular hulk form. He also could have just had a rival in the black order to fight the entire film like dr strange did.

Hell he fought Cull Obsidian at the end of IF, the resident big guy of the Black Order.

Very little would change if he fought him as Hulk instead of in the Hulkbuster.

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 13th 2022 at 9:34:38 AM

Hulk was too powerful meanwhile Captain Marvel broke Thanos ship, Wanda nearly killed Thanos, and Thor killed Thanos.

Riiiiiight.

I mean, I get it. There's a lot of characters to focus on, and Banner himself didn't get too much character development in Ragnarok. But I honestly believe that there were plenty of moments where the Hulk could've reemerged where it would've made sense and developed Hulk as a character as well.

Like, could you imagine the Hulk meeting his old teammates, revealing he can speak full sentences and then warning them about Thanos in Hulk Speak? I feel like that could've been a better segway to Professor Hulk. But eh, I digress.

Come to think, it’s a crime that Professor Hulk and Tony didn’t interact more.

Thor did spend all of Infinity War on his own sidequest in space, not joining with the others to fight Thanos until the very end. Classic case of "powerhouse character couldn't help the weaker heroes 'cause they were busy with other stuff".

And they shanked poor Vision out of nowhere. At least the others had solo movies to shine. (well sort of Hulk-wise)

Still I guess that's better than Civil War where he just sort of does nothing off screen for most of the airport battle.

No film of Cap’s Kooky Quintet the Avengers post Ultron before they fell apart in Civil War is kind of a shame.

We never got to see Vision just… be a hero. Same with Wanda. Both only ever appeared when the team, and their personal lives, were thrown into some kind of new and horrifying downward spiral.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jul 14th 2022 at 12:23:01 PM

Mind you, his sidequest began with him having his teeth firmly kicked in by Thanos. Thanos's Establishing Character Moment in the film had him beat Thor into a bloody mess offscreen before the movie began, and then curbstomp the Hulk onscreen once the opening scene got started.

So I don't think Infinity War is a very strong example of "Story-breaking character is too powerful and has to be sidelined." They very clearly laid out exactly how Thor and Thanos stack up to one another before sending him on his way. It even gets discussed.

• Rocket: This is Thanos we're talking about. He's the toughest there is.
• Thor: Well, he's never fought me.
• Rocket: Yeah. He has.
• Thor: ...he's never fought me twice.

True so far as it goes, but even after Thor makes it to Wakanda in IW with his new power-up axe, specifically forged to kill Thanos, he gets one scene to blast the mooks with lightning then mostly vanishes until after Thanos has walked through everyone else and killed Vision (again).

Edited by HeraldAlberich on Jul 14th 2022 at 3:49:23 PM

That really hacked me off. Thor the only one with a shot against Thanos just mysteriously disappears from the fight until it's too late when every single other Avenger hears the call and confronts him. (In sequence no less)

And then it turns out he can oneshot Thanos except 'Should have aimed for the head' ugh.

Maybe it would have been better to show that Stormbreaker actually only puts Thor and Thanos on equal footing, and have them (quickly, Ending Fatigue and all) fight to a draw before Thanos gets in a good sucker punch, or maybe a surviving Black Order member draws Thor away, long enough for Thanos to get the Mind Stone. Then Thor can charge back in and not aim for the head.

Doctor Strange: “Good news! I found another possible future where we can win! All we need is for Thor to behead Thanos as soon he arrives on Wakanda.”

Meanwhile, Thor, chugging 15 Panther Dews and suddenly realizing he hasn’t used the can since Sakaar:

There's a fascinating What If? in, like, "What If Thanos had been stopped at Titan/Wakanda?" that someone absolutely should make. Like, it turns out that there were many ways Thanos could have been defeated, which results in the Avengers gaining control of a complete Infinity Gauntlet with no strings attached. And then. Something very bad comes out of that.

Do we keep the Gauntlet? Do we destroy it? Thor wants to divvy the Gems up and spread them out across the universe again but we have infinite power to fulfill limitless good here so are we going to let him do that? Can we stop him from doing that? Who's on Team Destroy and who's on Team Keep? And, more importantly, which side can grab the Gauntlet more quickly?

Imagine Civil War 2, which is literally just one battle of Infinity Gauntlet Keepaway until someone inevitably throws it on their hand out of desperation and snaps. And. Then. What? Who just became God, and what did they do?

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jul 14th 2022 at 1:24:36 AM

Thor goes for the head and then suddenly the TVA show up like the Monty Python cops.

that's not actually implausible. The timeline has to happen exactly the way it did when He Who Remains came into being.

I didn't really buy it but Multiverse of Madness seem to be trying to imply there only being one way was just Stephen being arrogant somehow.

Still it seems like a topic for the main MCU thread rather than She-Hulk's?

Maybe, maybe not.

Yes, the Illuminati found a way to kill Thanos on Titan, but note that it only happened after their Stephen both powered himself up using the Darkhold, and destroyed an entire universe by accident.

When Stephen said there was only one way, it could have been because of the TVA railroading him into a single path, or it could have been due to him being aware of the other methods but seeing that the price of them was even greater than the Snap...blip....snip?

Because Endgame did let them bring back everyone who'd been snipped but you can't do that for the people who died in Strange Supreme's incursion, can you?

Edit:

Oh. Imagine Jenn having to defend Stephen for his choice against some kind of inter dimensional tribunal.....beside the Illuminati, of course.

Edited by HandsomeRob on Jul 14th 2022 at 2:00:58 AM

Somehow it ends up with Happy Hogan.

Plus, the whole lineup and people available to Stephen when he looked into the future were way different than the Illuminatis going years back.

If only Doctor Strange an object that could reverse time.