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eagleoftheninth In the name of being honest from the Street without Joy Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
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#51: Jul 20th 2021 at 10:34:01 PM

Well, it was an online competition, so they didn't actually leave Afghanistan in the first place.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#52: Jul 20th 2021 at 10:38:12 PM

Point taken.

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#53: Jul 21st 2021 at 10:43:11 PM

This one concerns Afghans who worked as interpreters and how the Taliban is trying to find those guys:

When Corey Shelson started the video call, he broke into a giant smile that was matched by the man looking back at him from thousands of miles away.

The retired Canadian soldier had been eagerly waiting to hear from his former Afghan interpreter, whom he’d helped sneak out of Helmand — along with his wife and 18-month-old daughter — and out of the immediate path of the Taliban.

Seeing the familiar face on the screen on Sunday night told Shelson that his former colleague was safe, at least for now, even though no one knew for how long.

The American decision to withdraw ground troops from Afghanistan has resulted in insurgents taking back much of their old territory, and prompted an ad hoc rescue attempt by Shelson and other military veterans here in Canada.

A group of retired Canadian soldiers are using their own money and contacts in the country to virtually co-ordinate the desperate effort to get their former “comrades” and their families to temporary safety. Canada withdrew most of its troops from the country in 2011.

“I called him immediately when he was able to get into a safe place. It was the biggest smile I’ve ever seen. I was also smiling ear to ear,” said Shelson, a retired captain who served in the Canadian forces from 2002 to 2015, and spent eight months in Kandahar in 2010 as a combat engineer.

“But there’s hundreds of other people that are stranded. We are making the time because it’s the right thing to do. And we want to help, but this requires government actions. Our funds are going to run out. This is a very serious situation that requires a national strategy.”

This is not a permanent solution for the Afghans who worked for foreign governments and have been labelled “the eyes, tongue and ears of the infidels” by the Taliban, and face constant threats to their lives. While some are now being moved to safer parts of the country, they fear that the Taliban will eventually catch up.

The veterans have asked Ottawa to fly in a military aircraft to rescue Afghan civilians who served Canada, or get help from its allies on the ground to at least relocate these people to safe places where further security vetting can be conducted if necessary.

Last week, Immigration Minister Marco Mendicino told the Star that his staff are working with the Department of National Defence and Global Affairs Canada with the hope of rolling out a program “as soon as possible” to resettle these former Canadian staffers, who are the targets of insurgents as U.S. and NATO forces complete their full withdrawal by Aug. 31.

But arguing that the government is not moving fast enough, this past weekend the Canadian veterans individually funded and planned the escapes of the Afghan civilians they’ve been in touch with over the years.

While they can’t reveal the routes or details of their plans, or where the evacuees were taken to, they said more than 20 Afghan interpreters and other locally employed workers, as well as their families, were flown out of Kandahar, Helmand and a few other places to safer areas within the country.

“We’re in constant contact with dozens of families, helping each work through a specific extraction plan while reassuring them that someone actually cares about their safety and well-being,” says retired corporal Robin Rickards, who did three tours in Afghanistan between 2006 and 2010.

“We’re operating very close to the wire financially, between housing, food, clothing, medical expenses, transportation, and constantly getting shut down by Money Gram and Western Union.”

Due to the daily limits put on the amount each person can transfer, Rickards said the veterans had to solicit help from their families and friends to wire money.

The veterans are working with the Afghan-Canadian Interpreters, a grassroots advocacy group for the Afghans’ resettlement, and Not Left Behind, a website created to raise awareness of the civilians’ plight by the family of Capt. Nichola Goddard, who was killed by Taliban insurgents in an ambush in 2006.

There are about 120 individuals — with a total of about 600 people, including family members — who worked for the Canadian forces and have been identified for evacuation from Afghanistan by the veterans.

Ottawa had a special immigration program that helped resettle 780 Afghans and their families in Canada between 2009 and 2011. However, many were left behind because they did not meet its strict criteria.

Shelson said his troop worked with 25 interpreters in Kandahar, but only half of them made it to Canada through the immigration department’s resettlement program.

“When the American forces were on the ground we still had some level of control of what was going on. Now the situation really started to pick up in terms of urgency over the last three to four weeks,” said Shelson, who produced You Tube audio of an Afghan interpreter pleading for help from Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.

“The Taliban has rapidly begun taking back control of the country. Now the sense of urgency is so much more there because of what’s going on.”

Shelson said there have been reports of the Taliban locking down villages and going door to door to track down locals with connections with western governments, sometimes leveraging technology like biometric scanning devices to make an “inventory” of people.

The situation on the ground was evolving so quickly that Shelson said the network of veterans began to find ways to help their endangered friends get out, many of them in Kandahar, Afghanistan’s second largest city, where the Canadian troops were based.

“You’ve got to try and put money into people’s hands to pay for safe passage, so you have to pay for flights and pay for safe houses. You can’t just expect these people who are affected to get in a car and drive across the border to safety. All of that money is coming out of veterans’ pockets right now,” said Shelson, who runs a digital marketing company in London, Ont.

“This is a massive humanitarian crisis. And a hodgepodge group of veterans and their friends aren’t gonna be able to solve this problem. This requires a national level strategy. We believe we have the moral obligation to do the right thing.”

The rescue effort was intense over the weekend because the veterans here were working in a different time zone amid intermittent internet access in Afghanistan.

“You have a collection of people who’re trying to bring good to a very bad situation. It feels like the Underground Railroad where you’re just trying to do the part that you can do and then move that person to the hands of somebody else that can help them.”

He said Canada needs to put every resource available into an immediate action plan to help these people to safety, as other countries have in evacuating the locals who put their lives at risk to assist their missions.

Although his own interpreter is now in a safe house, Shelson can’t yet breathe a sigh of relief because they are simply delaying the inevitable until the Taliban ultimately takes over the country again and no one can escape from its grip.

“Veterans and military people are trained to never leave someone behind. We never will. The veterans and the concerned citizens are doing their absolute best to try and help those people on the ground,” he said.

“But this is a very serious situation that requires a national strategy now, not tomorrow, not next week.”

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#54: Jul 22nd 2021 at 1:34:27 AM

Maybe Joe could have started moving them BEFORE his announcement.

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#55: Jul 22nd 2021 at 6:26:27 PM

Word going around is that Fort Lee can be used as an Afghan SIV staging ground.

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eagleoftheninth In the name of being honest from the Street without Joy Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
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#56: Jul 23rd 2021 at 12:30:34 AM

Biden opposed the 2009 troop surge, said to Karzai's face that "Pakistan is 50 times more important to the US than Afghanistan is", and is overall vocally opposed to the idea of using military force for human rights causes abroad. I think he's made his feelings on the conflict clear long before the Trump admin inked the deal. And besides, the US only had *flips notes* 20 years to plan how to end the war. So maybe we could cut them some slack?

Anyway, on a marginally less depressing note: here are a couple of Afghan photographers to maybe follow on Instagram.

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Silasw Since: Mar, 2011
#57: Jul 23rd 2021 at 12:54:01 AM

[up]X3 In the instance that [up]X4 is focused on it looks like it’s people who worked with the Canadian forces, Canada never put in a policy to get them out and protect them because the US was still holding the situation together after Canada pulled out.

Now the US is pulling out the people are at risk, but as they didn’t work with the US they probably don’t qualify for the US programs.

It’s another reminder of the mess of having NATO not operate as a single force with a combined mission and combined schedule.

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#58: Jul 23rd 2021 at 12:59:17 AM

To expand on what he said. Ottawa did have a program IIRC in the early 2000s to 2010s (Not sure when, I forgot) to help Afghans who assisted Canadians working in Kabul leave. Ottawa stopped it before Canadian troops left.

Ottawa later on did say that Afghans left behind can immigrate using regular avenues, but the veterans/sympathetic politicians say no.

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#59: Jul 23rd 2021 at 7:50:46 PM

Word is getting around Afghanistan that the Taliban is planning a massive attack on Kandahar.

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#60: Jul 25th 2021 at 11:33:08 PM

https://cdainstitute.ca/afghanrefugees/

Word is going around in Canada for volunteers to assist Afghan refugees to settle down.

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#61: Jul 28th 2021 at 8:29:56 AM

News is slowly being reported that the Taliban has a delegation sent to Beijing.

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#62: Jul 28th 2021 at 8:39:34 AM

Looking to be officially part of the "Fuck U-SA" club, I wager.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#63: Jul 28th 2021 at 9:29:13 AM

I wonder how that will go because the current leader is a genuine true believer in atheism and suppression of religion as well as actively Islamophobic.

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megarockman from Sixth Borough Since: Apr, 2010
#64: Jul 28th 2021 at 9:56:43 AM

So long as they have mutual enemies, a realpolitik alliance is possible and most probably worth looking into for them.

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#65: Jul 28th 2021 at 1:48:40 PM

Yeah, they're about to be in charge of a highly unstable rogue nation. They're going to have to take it wherever they can find it.

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#66: Jul 28th 2021 at 6:19:37 PM

It's not so much a partnership as Beijing wanting to limit the conflict's spillover on its domestic security interests. Its decision to privilege the Taliban over the Afghan government is not 100% rational and is coloured by pre-existing biases; though then again, so are the US's. But it's not like the CCP particularly cares if the Taliban want to establish a theocracy in Afghanistan as long as they don't mess with China's spheres of interest. And besides, both parties have a common foe in IS (and to a lesser extent the Pakistani Taliban), which are transnational militant groups looking to spread their ideology far beyond Afghan borders.

Al Jazeera: Chinese officials and Taliban meet, in sign of warming ties.

    Article 
China’s foreign minister has met a Taliban delegation, signalling warming ties as the United States-led foreign forces continue their withdrawal from Afghanistan.

Wang Yi on Wednesday told the nine visiting Taliban representatives, which included the group’s co-founder Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar, that Beijing expected it to “play an important role in the process of peaceful reconciliation and reconstruction in Afghanistan”, according to a readout of the meeting from the foreign ministry.

He also said he hoped the Taliban would crack down on the East Turkestan Islamic Movement as it was a “direct threat to China’s national security”, according to the readout, referring to a group China says is active in the Xinjiang region in China’s far west. Beijing has said it fears neighbouring Afghanistan could be used as a staging ground for separatists.

The visit comes as the Taliban has made sweeping gains across Afghanistan since May, when the US-led foreign forces began the last stage of their withdrawal, which is set to be completed by the end of August.

The fighting with Afghan government forces has led to a surge in civilian casualties and displacements.

At the same time, Taliban leaders have stepped up their international diplomacy in recent months, seeking global recognition for when they hope to return to power.

Wednesday’s meeting in the Chinese city of Tianjin, which Taliban spokesman Mohammed Naeem said was at the invitation from Chinese authorities, was widely seen as a gift from Beijing towards that legitimacy.

Naeem wrote on Twitter that “politics, economy and issues related to the security of both countries and the current situation of Afghanistan and the peace process were discussed in the meetings”.

“[The] delegation assured China that they will not allow anyone to use Afghan soil against China,” Naeem said. “China also reiterated its commitment of continuation of their assistance with Afghans and said they will not interfere in Afghanistan’s issues but will help to solve the problems and restoration of peace in the country.”

‘Pariah state’

Beijing has viewed the US withdrawal from Afghanistan as a boon, while close ties with a future government in Kabul could also pave the way for an expansion of its Belt and Road Initiative into Afghanistan and through the Central Asian republics.

On Wednesday, China’s foreign ministry spokesman sought to further underscore the differences between Washington’s and Beijing’s policies.

“China has throughout adhered to non-interference in Afghanistan’s internal affairs … Afghanistan belongs to the Afghan people,” he said, adding it was a stark contrast to the “failure of US policy towards Afghanistan”.

For his part, US Secretary of State Antony Blinken, on an official visit to India, warned on Wednesday that Afghanistan would become a “pariah state” if the Taliban takes control by force.

“The Taliban says that it seeks international recognition, that it wants international support for Afghanistan. Presumably, it wants its leaders to be able to travel freely in the world, sanctions lifted, etc,” he told reporters.

“The taking over of the country by force and abusing the rights of its people is not the path to achieve those objectives.”

Separately, Afghanistan’s President Ashraf Ghani urged the international community “to review the narrative of the willingness of the Taliban and their supporters on embracing a political solution”.

“In terms of scale, scope and timing, we are facing an invasion that is unprecedented in the last 30 years,” he said in a speech on Wednesday.

“These are not the Taliban of the 20th century … but the manifestation of the nexus between transnational terrorist networks and transnational criminal organisations,” he said.

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#67: Jul 28th 2021 at 7:12:56 PM

Regional news there reported the death of Afghan comedian Khasha Zwan after armed gunmen took him from his home in Kandahar.

His family points the finger at the Taliban.

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#68: Jul 28th 2021 at 7:20:19 PM

Expect massive numbers of murders of those who became used to freedom.

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#69: Jul 28th 2021 at 9:40:27 PM

Pakistan will rue the day. The Taliban weren't in power long enough last time to make them hurt, but this time no one will try it from the outside to oust them. Then Islamabad can enjoy the fruit of their labors.

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thatindiantroper Since: Feb, 2015
#70: Jul 28th 2021 at 9:44:19 PM

Well that'll be great for those of us on this side of the border.

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#71: Jul 28th 2021 at 9:48:31 PM

[up][up]Does the Pakistan military care about islamic fundamentalism in its borders? They will only start worrying if the Taliban start calling for the creation of Pakhtunistan right? Hell if they encourage islamic fundamentalism fueled militancy in Kashmir it would be a bonus for Pakistan and a serious problem for us.

Edited by xyzt on Jul 28th 2021 at 10:18:48 PM

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#72: Jul 28th 2021 at 10:14:42 PM

It should be noted that that IS one of the principles of the Taliban, as an extension of Pashtun nationalism, which is about equal to its Islamic fundamentalism. To illustrate this, the brief period when they were in charge, they also quite pointedly did not recognize the Durand Line.

In short, they will want Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa.

As for the Pakistan military, they only like fundamentalism insofar as it is useful in Kashmir and in rallying support among the various ethnic groups of Pakistan. They don't actually want it to take root in KP or in Punjab, the primary recruiting areas for the army, for then the people being recruited would be less loyal to said army. And in the Army's eyes, the army is everything.

Edited by FFShinra on Jul 28th 2021 at 10:17:07 AM

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#73: Jul 28th 2021 at 11:32:30 PM

DW reports of Afghans who can afford to leave are getting passports.

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#74: Jul 31st 2021 at 9:43:56 PM

A few good/bad news things for me to discuss:

Bad news

  • The Taliban are now trying to invade areas around Herat in order to choke it.


Good news

  • First wave of Afghan interpreters/critical people have arrived in America. Same thing's happening in Canada.
  • Turkey is offering the opportunity to the Afghan military to have their personnel under Turkish instructors. This is likely to show the world that they're sincere in helping out.

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#75: Aug 1st 2021 at 5:17:56 PM

Taliban attacked Kandahar Airport via mortars. Runway was damaged, but was repaired ASAP.

Fighting around Herat intensified. Taliban are taking over areas that are around the city.

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