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bbykittens it's me from IDEK anymore Since: Nov, 2018 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#1: Aug 16th 2020 at 3:52:22 PM

What's the difference between A.I. Is a Crapshoot and Turned Against Their Masters? After reading both pages, Turned Against Their Masters seems to be about how robots/A.I. will turn against humanity, while A.I. Is a Crapshoot seems to be about how there is a 'risk' that robots/A.I. will turn against humanity. Are these concepts really distinct enough to warrant two separate pages? Also, both pages were created on the same day (June 14, 2007), so could they have been more distinct originally? That was also before TLP was a thing. Are these pages up to the current standards? Should this go to TRS?

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#2: Aug 16th 2020 at 4:43:13 PM

I've been editing under the assumption that Crapshoot is any time an AI tends to malfunction, even in ways that aren't violent revolution. Check out the Isaac Asimov entries in the Literature subpage. The character in "Catch That Rabbit" doesn't even realize they're doing anything wrong, they just malfunction and the humans have to figure out where the malfunction is to resolve the plot.

In contrast, Turned Against Their Masters is for any Servant Race or Slave Race that undergoes rebellion, not limited to machines or programming. Heck, a robot race that was built with the directives "destroy humanity" and "repopulate the world with their own kind" wouldn't be an example of either trope.

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#3: Aug 16th 2020 at 4:51:39 PM

[up] In thay case, A.I. Is a Crapshoot is when those robots fail to consider harming humans. :P

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crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
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#4: Aug 16th 2020 at 4:52:05 PM

Yes, it would!

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#5: Aug 16th 2020 at 7:27:31 PM

To add to this, A.I. Is a Crapshoot covers the tendency in fiction for any artificial intelligence to go horribly wrong (or right). This can take the form of Turned Against Their Masters, but does not have to. It could go the opposite way: designed for evil purposes but turn good, or learns love, or whatever. The important part is that creating AI is high up on the Scale of Scientific Sins and always has unintended results.

Turned Against Their Masters is about constructed beings (of any sort) that decide to rebel against their treatment or against their second-class status.

Edited by Fighteer on Aug 16th 2020 at 10:28:57 AM

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bbykittens it's me from IDEK anymore Since: Nov, 2018 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#6: Aug 16th 2020 at 7:33:01 PM

Alright, that makes more sense. Thanks, everyone!

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