Yu-Gi-Oh! Sevens

Sounds familiar. XD

It was fun episode, although I'm a Love Freak so I can relate. Rinnosuke was pretty smart for the most part. Dude's ace had a gattling gun that shoots shuriken. THAT'S SO CRAZYAWESOME.

Wasn't expecting a DRAW for the first time this season.

Also, I was wrong about Schwer pushing Galient off the balcony. That's on me. Although I still feel like he's a jerk.

New episode.

Luke's gone full pigeon.

So after 37....a lot of people are starting to get split with this arc. From what I've heard, especially from channels such as Yu Gi Oh Universe and Yu Gi Oh Everything

• People either want the 13 episodes arc to improve the pacing, change the arc lengths to 26, and after 34-36, it's now a battle over building up characters vs plot. Do things feel rushed (pun not intended) or is the pacing of the episodes the problems.
• Luke's really become a Base-Breaking Character with the Schwer's duel.
• Everyone misses Roa.
• The main villains need more duels and there's frustrations about the main villains only dueling just Yuga.
• Yuga needs more duels that aren't just with the main villains.
• If there's more characters in the series than in Arc V vs how much they're doing.
• Romin not getting another duel after losing to Sushiko vs the other women getting much more development.
• Neil should've dueled more especially in the second series.

Y'all have any worries?

Oh yeah #37. Someone compared Rook's frustrations dealing with all those traps to dueling Altergeists, and while I would be equally annoyed if I was Rook and didn't have Jinzo in my deck, are Altergeists a trap heavy deck?

compared to other meta decks, yes 'Geists are a trap-heavy deck.

Which it's likely pretty light, but still.

First off, I don't trust YGO Everything for being a good authority on sensible opinion as far as I can throw him. His content's based off a bunch of wild theories, tons of misinformation and rushing out episode reactions. His top 10's, from what I remember, were especially bad, as he tried this super strange middle ground of "his opinion + audience opinion" which was impossible to measure and left the actual placements of entries super arbitrary and without much motivation behind them.

Either way, I'm not blind that Sevens has problems, but I'm really questioning if any of what's mentioned are them. Yuuga's one of the most fun protagonists we've had in a while and he doesn't need to duel a lot to be interesting. In fact, some of the best moments of his character is just when he's bouncing off of others. ("That's Luke for you!" after an impressive display, and then 5 seconds later when Luke forgets the cards he put to the top of his deck, he just goes "That's Luke for you!" again. Super funny stuff.)

The duels themselves have issues, but those issues stem from the fact they're too short to be very meaningful. There's not enough back-and-forth as the 4-turn structure is wearing really thin by this point (Go first, establish a board, get the board broken, make a comeback, get comeback'd in return and lose). The actual match-ups they give us are oftentimes great and I find it fantastic how much they utilize side characters while not forgetting about the main four (makes the world feel alive) but that doesn't change the fact these duels blaze on by.

I'm not actually all that bothered by the 13-episodes worth of arc pacing, mainly because the duels are so short, though. You might forget that the average YGO duel is two, three episodes and so a lot less dueling actually gets done compared to Sevens. You can actually break most YGO's up more or less 25 episode chunks, too. The only exception to this, really, is DM, but DM's pacing has always been weird.

Besides, even if Neil only dueled twice and it was Yuga both times, it isn't like he's vanished from the plot. He's still there, doing his job. We got a second duel out of the massage chair of all characters, and Neil doesn't need to duel to be an interesting character.

I also don't know what the whole complaining about Romin's success is about because Romin is a great character who was never played up to be the dueling ace of the group. Luke's always been the most naturally talented and then Yuga's next down the list. Romin's gotten plenty of good showings and the Sushiko duel was mostly played up for a joke, but also, was meant to show that Romin's hangry button isn't just a free win for her. It's a bit of a filler episode, I admit, but she didn't just lose for no reason. And I don't know why you'd complain about other female characters winning when that doesn't really have anything to do with Romin's character at all; it's not like she could've been there to protect Yuga's shack when she's stuck underground. The fact they even acknowledge Yuga's base is vulnerable to being messed with right now is some great worldbuilding / consistency.

Also I'm not sure what people expected out of Luke's character. The dude's always been a gullible chuuni; remember his duel against Omaeno Ushiro? Yuga even outright says Luke's weird af in the middle of cheering him on in this duel. Luke's a joke character and I like 'im for that exact reason.

My main concern with Sevens is if it keeps me wanting to tune in next week because it's good and not because "it's bad but it's yugioh so I guess I'll watch it" like the last two series had me going. It's keeping that up so far, so I've got no real reason to complain.

Edited by Nickpws on Feb 25th 2021 at 10:48:01 AM

Oof, no wonder they didn't give Emma a lot of wins, that'd be a nightmare to write....they should've though.

Nickpws well it wasn't him saying most of that, it was mostly the cast, comments from the livestreams, and most people around him, he's fairly positive on the show, and he's improved as a Youtuber since the VRAINS reviews ended. Hell even he's surprised by the Luke hate since it came from his discord. Hell, I disagree with most of them.

Yeah I agree with Yuga being a good protagonist, I've seen people on myanimelist and Kalice call him a jerk and boring, and some people say he doesn't deserve to be a Duel King (when he never wanted to in the first place but is taking it as a responsibility)

Honestly, yeah some of the duels, especially in OG went on for way longer than they should've. I'd say GX and Zexal handled their duel pacing the best, but I don't even hate Rush Duels because it's literally what people have been asking for: not making the game too complicated and mostly going back to Battle City ruleset without the extra summons, but the 3 normal summons at the same time makes the game faster and more unpredictable.

I just find it really hypocritical people were turning on Romin when she lost. Reddit was fighting over it, the comments were split, Kalice was like "oh she's being undermined" but in this arc alone we've had 6 female duelists, 4 women get a W, 2 getting a duel against a main protagonist/antagonist, a draw, like I get it, we really have been burned when it comes to the women, but I had to point out to people several times it's a good episode for Romin to grow in the future.

Hey, Luke's a Lethal Joke Character, and I wouldn't have it any other way.

Regarding Neil not dueling, pretty sure it's because he can't duel anymore.

His account was deleted, isn't it?

I know MAL isn't an objective measurement by any stretch of the imagination, nor is it really a good source of opinion, but it does genuinely sadden me how absolutely slammed Sevens got in terms of reviews to only sit at a 5.40. Even ZeXal, the next worst rated, is like a 6.34 which is almost a full point higher (and ZeXal was part of an equally harsh hate brigade against it). 5.40 is really bad by MAL standards, 'cause MAL tends to rate shows anywhere from 6.5 - 7 on average even when they're mediocre.

I get that everyone was on the Sevens hate-train during the reveal, but it doesn't deserve this fate :c

Edited by Nickpws on Feb 27th 2021 at 3:11:39 AM

While I wouldn't mind a slightly greater emphasis on plotting, after ARC-V shat the bed and VRAINS suffered a bad case of first draft syndrome I'm perfectly fine with Sevens being Lighter and Softer and trying to actually have fun with itself.

Right, and while he could possibly alter it, he probably won't do that in order to respect his providence. Which I respect.

It gets worse, that whole video where Yuga beats Otes still has people going overboard with hatred. From people saying Yuga's deck was overpowered, to saying Blue Eyes got disrespected, it was getting stupid. When I pointed out that Yugi beat 3 Blue Eyes at once, the argument I got was "but Yugi's the main protagonist," and I'm just here like, so is Yuga! Then they deleted their comment.

I wanna re-read some of these My Anime List videos from recent to latest.

Person 1: 30 episodes in. Rating 9/10. Okay, finds Rush Duels a nice balance, telling people not to give the MAL score to heart, finds the story 6/7 and finds the stoty intriguing as it goes along.

Person 2: 2 episodes in. Rating 4/10. Only likes the concept of rsuh duels and the characters, hates the plot, "MC wants to change that, wow what a great setting to tell a great nuanced story; except you wont be finding anything quality here, the pacing for this show is insane, they pull everything out of their ass to half heartedly explain everything"

• Kinda comes of hypocritical when you put Ass Pull and explanation in the same sentence.

Person 3: 24 episodes in, Rating 8/10.

• Wait the person who created Sailor Moon designs the cast?
• Finds the story mediorce but sees promise, enjoys the cast after intially hating them, likes the characters and likes Romin, Mimi, and Roa, and wants people to come in with an open mind.

Person 4: 6 episodes in, Rating 5/10.

• : "The show is fine....as a comedy," " there’s no strategy or thought process in this" (the duels), "Yuga is a boring protagonist because he doesn’t have any depth. All he wants to do is spread rush duels to everyone. “Of course he doesn’t have any depth. He’s just a kid.” I couldn’t agree more. Focusing on elementary school kids is the most uninteresting thing ever."
  • You know a lot of people forget the cast of Yu Gi Oh seasons tends to be between the ages of 11 and 18. Technically, the way Japanese schools work, they should be in middle school by western standards right?

Person 5: 5 episodes in, rating 9/10. N Believes the creators are passionate, likes Rook, thinks its the funniest Yu Gi Oh series, believed all Yu Gi Oh series was downhill from 5Ds.

And the last two are positive.

I feel like the community is more supportive of Sevens, but who and exactly who are in the Yu-Gi-Oh anime community are subjective:

• Yu Gi Oh Everything likes it. And every other video I find has people upset that he likes it since he's the biggest one.
• YGO Universe admitting he's enjoying it more than usual.
• Kalice hates it.
• Kevin
• Nerdcore didn't want to include Yuga on their Yu Gi Oh protagonist rap cypher: According to Gameboy Jones, he was too "new and yea he does not fit the aesthetic of the others"

• Team APS Plus thinks its good and important

• Manga Kamen is in the middle but then....the way he structured his video...ehh

• Kevin Jones Reviews likes it and wants people to watch it.

The problem with Sevens reception, even after 38 episodes, is four factors.

• 1: The anime community's current love for gatekeeping and distinction why someone should and shouldn't watch something.
• 2: The romanticization of shows that are more Darker and Edgier, which are always perceived to have better writing, which Psycho Pass fans being the only one who can debate based on what I've heard from season 2.
• 3: Yu-Gi-Oh fans being really mixed, and not everyone having Youtube channels to express their opinions or big channels to gain the audience for it. The girl who translates the show (her birthday was last week so that's why episode 37 came out subbed late, no hate, thanks Shiose sama!) only has like 200 subscribers. Doesn't help that nostagla plays a role and a lot of people haven't seen Zexal through VRAINS....I blame Nickelodeon for that.
• 4: The series hasn't come to the west....yet.

When I said "slammed in reviews" I actually meant to say "slammed in general user score" since, yeah, on average the reviews are actually pretty favorable.

I'm more talking about this graph which shows that while there's plenty of people who give it a 7-6, the bottom 5 scores are way more stacked compared to the top 5. People seem unwilling to give it more than a 7 (ha) and the 7's aren't swaying the score enough to make up for all the 1-2-3 votes.

Good to know that if I'm ever in a tournament and in a jam I can just spill Mountain Dew on my opponent's side of the field and win by default [thinking].

Or hope their cards will fall apart on their own.

To get to the point, the latest ep:

When Yuuga installed Rush duels, the update went even to older but disused duel disks that didn't change form. Likewise, when Neil put in Maximum summoning, the same happened. Asana found the old ass ID cards in those disks and used them to make her maximum cards. Yuuga does the same to recreate his specific cards, but since both are so old, the cards are on the verge of breaking in the middle of the battle (where both have the same attack points) and it's a question of who's cards will break first, with the loser taking the other's attack head on and losing.

• Entame confirmed all the translators hated Schwer/Chevelle only because them, YGO Organization, and DMC all couldn't agree on what his actual name should stand for. 

• Allegedly the next arc is going to be a Team Battle Royal. Depending on what happens, I'm guessing these are the teams. 
  • Team Rush Duels: Yuga, Rook, Romin
  • Team Sogetsu: Gakuto, Romin, Rinnosuke
  • Agents of Providence: Nail, Sebastain, Arata
  • Goha 7th Club Leaders: Tiger/Hakura, Yoshio, Bakuro
  • Goha 6th Machine Calvary Leaders: Asana, Galient, Schwer
  • Chef Duelists: Menzaboro, Sushiko, Nick Yagi (who the Yu Gi Oh community really wants to see duel by now)
  • Roa Romin: Roa, Ushiro, Getta
  • New Antagonist

If we're talking teams I think Gakuto and the twins on one team and Yuga, Luke, and Romin on another are highly likely. Roa could maybe be on a team with his bandmates as well and yeah Asana and her two lackies could be a team. Maybe Tiger and Jango could be on a team together too? I dunno who their third member would be though...

Edited by Chariot on Mar 12th 2021 at 10:53:43 AM

hey romin avenged herself against yuga. he now has 4 losses.

Wait. Is the episode already up?

And she actually beat him huh? Up until his match with Asana, Yuga and Romin were tied for losses (that in itself was incredible), but now he's actually lost more matches than her? The hero having a greater number of losses than the heroine? It's both very minor and a big deal to be honest.

it's not up subtitled but I saw a broadcast of it. just gonna watch it when subs come out.

So I watched it.

Romin didn't just win. She kinda tap danced on his face for the bulk of the match. Like I think she was firmly in control for most of it.

yeah she was pretty in charge for most of the duel

I won't mind it so much if it happened far earlier, not right after he finally beat Asana......

Plus, while a competent female duelist, one that's in the main gang too and rather often duels, is a very good thing, I still don't think it's a good choice to make the actual main character have more losses than even her.....at least make it a back and forth duel with Romin barely securing her win, he just beat Asana, he shouldn't be this easy for Romin. Not to mention, Yuga is the freakin' MC. He should be portrayed as the best among his friends, that's why he's the MC. Him losing is fine, just don't make him the worst among his own friends. Unless it's directly tied to the main plot, the MC losing more than the heroine just ends up looking incredibly dumb, not just for Yuga but also for the series. This would only add more fuel for people who hates the series and Rush Duel promotion as a whole.

On the other hand, the series is still ongoing, I'm sure we'll see much more wins from Yuga. But really, this Yuga vs Romin duel could have been at least placed better. Doing it right after Yuga vs Asana is a bad idea.

Edited by ShiningStardust on Mar 16th 2021 at 1:13:43 AM

eh half of yugas loses have been when someone introduced a maximum out of nowhere that he had no idea even existed/still existed. those are losses but dont reflect as badly on yuga. besides he doesnt care about winning or losing he just wants to bring smiles to people

We're really having this argument?

• First, shouldn't we be happy that WE HAVE OUR FIRST MAIN LEAD GIRL THAT BEAT THE MAIN BOY?! Um celebration?!!

• Second, the duel ended with the victor at 200, in thanks to both the winner and losers efforts. We had 6 ace monsters on the field and that duel was so back and forth for the most part. Who expected a Level 1 monster would be the thing that would help pull off a combo.

Speaking of which, let's count Yuga's wins and losses:

• Wins: Otes, Romin, Gakuto, Menzaburo, Mimi, Kan, Roa, Nanami, Sebastian, Nail, Haruka, Asana. Number of wins. 12.
• Losses: Luke, Nail, Asana, Romin Number of losses 4.

That's a 75% win and 25% loss record and we're only 40 episodes. Is it that big of a deal?! And ain't it funny that the half were against people where it wasn't a life or death situation.

We get what we want, and we're complaining. Sigh. I thought of all people, the Yu-Gi-Oh community would be more accepting of this, but it's whatever, you're free to think what you want, I won't stop you.