The General Star Wars Thread

All Hux was good for in TROS was his two memes.

I mean when RJ made the entire first order into jokes, it's hard to take them seriously, but it's still a terrible writing response to bring back Palpatine for this.

I mean effectively Rise pretty much throws the resistance and the FO under the bus...

though not really as bad on the FO's part

The FO still pretty much serve as the main antagonistic force while palpy and the SE.. just don't do anything...not till Kylo turns then suddenly its the SE show

Hell in the end The SE is functionally just a palette swapped FO for the final battle, THERE IS NOTHING DIFFERENT ABOUT THEM cept ones red ones white

The First Order is a child's idea of the Galactic Empire. I'm willing to bet that Abrams originally thought the Empire into power by literally invading the entire Galaxy and establishing their dictatorship there. Not that it was once the benevolent Republic that became corrupt from within. The Empire didn't need to conquer anything because they already did long ago. They're just getting far worse over time.

I mean, think of every Evil Empire in any TV series or comics. Like Zurg's Evil Empire in Buzz Lightyear. Did they ever mention that Zurg's Empire was once a benevolent government that became corrupted? No, of course not. What about the Fire Nation in Avatar? Sure, it was once benevolent, but the series placed heavy emphasis on the Fire Nation invading other nations in world.

Star Wars is one of those few franchises that actually had their evil Empire arise from within a perceived benevolent government rather than some foreign other nation that threatens the stand-in for the United States of America.

I'll admit I find it fascinating that Palpatine is such a beloved, iconic villain that his return was not greeted with delight but derided as a sort of admission of defeat that they couldn't make the new villains anywhere near as interesting or threatening.

There's a Thanos quote for that.

“You couldn’t live with your own failure. Where did that bring you? Back to me.”

Actually there was initial hype for Palpatine coming back, I was part of it.

But then the movie came out, and things like the Rey Palpatine twist as well as the lack of explanation for his return and absurd plan killed the hype even if Ian Mcdiarmid is giving it his all. Because now that we saw the movie, Palpatine coming back was transparently just something thrown in there for lack of creativity.

Yeah, the Prequels did have the relatively mature idea of having the Republic be transformed into the Empire and even Lucas's notes had that similar idea back in the OT era.

Still haven't had time to watch Avatar, but I understand that the Fire Nation going all imperial was because the old leader wanted to share the prosperity by force or something.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jan 17th 2022 at 10:50:21 AM

Darth Sidious is the epitome of pure evil. It's impossible for future villains to top him in terms of scale and evil. To ever have a chance to stand out, your new villains must be a contrasting villain with very different motives, like how Zaheer stood out from Unalaq/Vaatu and Amon.

It's only self-defeating if you're literally copying the Galactic Empire. The moment Snoke started acting like the Emperor in The Last Jedi, I realized that there was no effort put into this guy. He's just an inferior clone of Sheev and for production team and Andy Serkis to have the gall to say that he's more powerful than Darth Sidious is honestly disrespecting the original Big Bad. That's why I have no problem with Darth Sidious returning despite wrecking the ending of ROTJ because honestly, if I want a rehash of the Empire, better bring back the original Big Bad rather than his clone.

The Fire Nation was a monarchy-based system with one ruler wanting to spread their influence across the word. It's essentially Imperial Japan in terms of real-world inspirations, but it isn't really the same as seeing what is supposed to be a democracy decaying into fascism like you see in Nazi Germany.

Edited by Shadao on Jan 17th 2022 at 7:53:14 AM

That is sort of why the KOTOR games tried to make their Sith much more different than Sheev, with the exception of Vitiate who was basically Sheev and Nihlus up to eleven.

Malak was the brute Sith who was willing to commit atrocity after atrocity to get what he wanted and had no patience for planning, even if he was still a space Nazi, he preferred the blitzkrieg mode of operating, while the closest Palpatine analogue was Revan himself.

While Kotor 2's idea of the Sith was basically humanoid eldritch abominations but Kreia was actually based on both Obi-Wan and Palpatine as a character, and she does take over as the final Sith lord, albeit still with cosmic scale plans to kill the Force.

Yeah I've heard a lot of criticism of Vitiate in that he's basically a fusion of Sidious minus the charisma and Nihilus minus the Lovecraft-esque horror - so you're basically left with the biggest, angriest bully in the playground whose threat derives entirely from his Story-Breaker Power; kinda like Marik Ishtar and Kaguya Otsutsuki and such anime villains.

It's why Darth Baras, Zash, Marr, and even Thanaton are more memorable than him.

Okay, new wanna-be Sith Lord idea, inspired by One Punch Man and, in particular, this post:

I've been watching the "Stars of the Saga" Stormtrooper skits from Disneyworld, and man do they make me want a Tag & Bink movie.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jan 18th 2022 at 12:44:21 PM

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The movie is suppose to be about his Return... but he is barely in the movie

then again the movie pretty mcuh emotionally Climaxes with Kylo vs Rey on the Death star wreckage

and then drags on for another 30 minutes

On an optimistic note, I am impressed at the success and popularity of Dr. Aphra especially the inevitability that she will appear in a show one of these days.

Especially since she's a comic-original character showing that comics really are important at the end of the day.

Black Krrsantan has made the jump from comics to live action so no reason that Aphra can't/won't follow suit. Hopefully with Triple-0 and Bee Tee in attendance.

Kylo's origin story as told by lego

Maybe the Resistance's main problems is thier main faction colors are Orange and Brown

Edited by FrozenWolf2 on Jan 18th 2022 at 7:46:31 AM

It’s easier to have Black Krrsantan show up out of blue since he doesn’t really have “character arcs” to consider, so I don’t think his appearance guarantees Aphra but I do hope she shows up.

And I really hope she’s not played by Awkwafina…

"I realized that there was no effort put into this guy. He's just an inferior clone of Sheev and for production team and Andy Serkis to have the gall to say that he's more powerful than Darth Sidious is honestly disrespecting the original Big Bad. "

I don't see anything wrong with it, they just said that he was stronger than Sidious (Pre-resurrection), at no time did they say that he was a better villain or something like that.

I mean, the son could sweep the floor with Sidious, and that doesn't mean I'm saying The Son is a better villain, or I'm disrespecting Sidious.

Honestly an unpopular villain being more powerful than a popular one shouldn't be that controversial, for example Maul is my favorite Sith and even I admit he wouldn't be a match for Dooku.

Edited by JoLuRo075 on Jan 18th 2022 at 4:01:57 AM

A villain that is touted as stronger than the previous Big Bad is like what they did with Starkiller Base. Instead of generating actual fear, it takes you out of the film wondering why didn't they do this before or how did they manage to this? And it ends up diminishing all that build-up with the original Death Star and its significance in Star Wars history. This might be mitigated if they put effort in this Serial Escalation of threats, but no. It's just a blatant clone of what came before, just bigger and supposedly scarier.

And all it does is make me think, "I want the original back. This is the best they could come up with?"

Again, Serkis just said he was stronger, he never said he was a better villain or anything like that.

Also, the strongest villain is The Son, anyway.

At the very least Son is a more distinct character than Snoke.

Actually has his own stuff instead of being a Palpatine-retread.

Speaking of Snoke, that reminds me of when in the old republic they introduced the Sith emperor Vitiate/ Valkorion, who was basically Sidious on steroids.

And yet Snoke was killed by a surprise attack from Kylo, so in the end we never knew if Serkis' statement was true.

And honestly the reason Snoke was just a generic Sidious, is because he was just a Disc One Final Boss, and the real Big Bad was Ben Solo. (Of course the writers chickened out and applied a "Ganon")

Edited by JoLuRo075 on Jan 18th 2022 at 4:14:36 AM

I was ecstatic but then again, I loved Dark Empire and figured it would somehow tie everything all together.

HAHAHAHAHAAH.

[cries]

It's obvious that the final villain was Ben Solo, for Sidious to return is just the writers being cowards.

He did feel like a less of an addition to the story and more of a bandaid meant to smooth things over. The fact that they didn't even bother to work him into the plot, and just had him... be back, with the hazy excuse that everything was nebulously his plan all along.

You can tell they just thought "hey, Palpatine's back!" would fix everything.