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Didn't Exar Kun's ghost haunt Luke's Jedi academy because it was built on his temple or something?
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That sounds right. I know that in the Clone Wars video game, the one on the original Xbox, that this former Jedi named Ulic something was a ghost at a temple. And he talked to Anakin.
Ulic Qel Droma. That was it.
Was pretty cool. I can imagine stuff like that being stuff for Jedi teenagers to experience as they passed their trials.
Edited by Patar136 on Sep 20th 2023 at 8:33:59 AM
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Force Ghost Anakin should be giving lectures at Luke's school about saying no to the Dark Side.![[lol]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/lol2v12_4863.png "[lol]"){kind=small}
That would fix so many problems in the ST.
I'll teach you a lesson about just how cruel the world can be. That's my job, as an adult.
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Anakin: Alright, welcome to Defense against the Dark Side. As a former Sith Lord, once called Darth Vader, I know all there is to know and more. This class won't be like any other you've taken. But you're gonna know all the warning signs and know how to say no.
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No traditional good sorcerers or wizards so far (though I wouldn't put it past that happening eventually), but the comics features an order of force illusionists (they're the ones who created the technique Luke used in TLJ) as well as an order of force floromancers.
Also the Bardottans from TCW are inspired by the shamanism from Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom, though we never see what their techniques look like when actually used for good.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Sep 20th 2023 at 8:58:04 AM
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There are the Force Priestesses from TCW though they’re pretty weird and vaguely defined even by the standards of the Force metaphysics stuff.
In initial drafts of Empire and Return, Yoda and Sidious were not Jedi, being defined more as priests who don't fight with lightsabers unlike the Jedi who are more akin to warrior monks/knights. That eventually was written about, but it showed an initial idea for there to be more sects among those who use the Force.
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I imagine that got changed in time for the prequels because Lucas wanted Yoda and Palpatine to have lightsaber duels.
There's that bit in a behind the scenes where Lucas talks about Yoda getting out his laser sword and going to town.
Edited by RedHunter543 on Sep 21st 2023 at 1:41:50 AM
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Notably the original witches of Dathomir weren't all Nightsisters.
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Yes, he appeared in the Jedi Academy Trilogy (Jedi Search, Dark Apprentice and Champions of the Force).
1- First he tried to tempt Luke passing as his father. No success.
2-Then he tried to tempt a student named Gantoris. Partial success, but Gantoris tried to attack Kun's ghost himself and ended up dead.
3-Never one to give up, Kun tried again with another student: Kyp Durron. Huge success, Durron fall to the Dark Side and destroyed a star system, but he rebeled against his ghost mentor.
4-Finally, Kun started to attack the temple with some monsters he created 4000 years ago, but he was defeated and banished by the power of the light.
Kyp Durron returned to the academy, was forgiven and became a Jedi and a jerk who always criticized Luke's every action in later novels.
This trilogy was written before Tales of the Jedi by the way.
Edited by jawal on Sep 21st 2023 at 12:54:47 PM
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Gently wrap up this world like the night sky.
I imagine the authors needed someone to be a Commander Contrarian to Luke and chose Kyp because he was already a Karma Houdini in the eyes of some fans.
Edited by jawal on Sep 21st 2023 at 5:13:07 PM
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Which comes of as weird because from everything I read he was brainwashed by Kun when he blow up a sun.
Early plans had the Emperor as a Puppet King and the real power of the Empire was in the Moffs like Tarkin. In ANH there was also no reference to Vader having a Master, only that he was "seduced by the Dark Side" and betrayed the Jedi. This makes Leia's comment that Tarkin was holding Vaders leash make more sense because it assumes Vader is lower in the hierarchy, rather than being an agent answerable only to the Emperor. Of course, early notes also mentioned him as a Sith Lord so there was the idea of a Jedi Evil Counterpart early on too.
Do you not know that in the service one must always choose the lesser of two weevils!
Originally the idea for the Jedi and the Sith was they were less Good Evil counterparts and more like Opposing Houses 'thus you could have more Houses of Knights'
'IE Imperial Prince Valorum is a Sith but also an ally'
The Jedi were just one of the longest lasting and more powerful Houses with the Sith being their longtime rivals but had lost favor in the Empire 'Basically it was alot more like Dune/ Old Warhammer, The Emperor was elected and kept in power by having strong allies... The Jedi being ousted ended a long Imperial Line
He was "influenced".
Exar Kun's spirit, was fueling his anger and pushing him to the Dark Side, and when Exar Kun was destroyed, Kyp immediately stopped being evil and regretted his actions.
With that said, Kyp is not totally innocent, he allowed Exar Kun to tempt him, and he surrendered to the influence without much resistance.
he destroyed That star to avenge his brother, so he was acting on his personal agenda and not as a mindless puppet for Exar Kun
.................
The best analogy is that he was like someone being drunk and doing something that he will regret when he wakes up, but he still holds responsibility.
Edited by jawal on Sep 21st 2023 at 12:50:58 PM
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That is the dark side in a nutshell really. It's a drug you willingly take to remove your inhabitation so you still take responsibility for your actions while under the influence.
Anakin even tries to blame killing Padme on the dark side but then admits he was to blame.
I'll teach you a lesson about just how cruel the world can be. That's my job, as an adult.
Forgiving people for turning to the Dark Side was also a bit more common in Legends because Legends' take was that the Dark Side was The Corruption that ultimately made you do things regardless of your will, giving the writers an in to remove the culpability characters had for their actions should they want to.
In practice, it was a writers' shortcut to easily allow Heel–Face Turn, since anyone touched by the dark side would eventually become a Sith-lite regardless of characterization, as well as to easily undo those Heel turns once the writers wanted the characters to stop being Sith-lites and become heroes again.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Sep 21st 2023 at 4:02:53 AM
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Oh, bother.
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The Matt Stover novelization of ROTS had a brilliant bit where Anakin tries to dissociate himself from what he did to Padme, pinning the blame on a metaphorical dragon representing his fear and on "Vader", a metaphorical construct embodying the power of the Dark Side. But then...
And you rage and scream and reach through the Force to crush the shadow who has destroyed you, but you are so far less now than what you were, you are more than half machine, you are like a painter who has gone blind, a composer gone deaf, you can remember where the power was but the power you can touch is only a memory, and so with all your world-destroying fury it is only droids around you that implode, and equipment, and the table on which you were strapped shatters, and in the end, you cannot touch the shadow.
This is how it feels to be Anakin Skywalker, forever.
The was still in Legends too. So at least one writer back then got it right.
Edited by M84 on Sep 21st 2023 at 9:23:08 PM
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Hero of the Winds
Anakin Skywalker: Now, I want you to tell me, right now, WHAT PART OF THIS, do you think is cool?!?!
Ben Solo'':.......... 'sobs miserably'
Anakin Skywalker: Yeah, I fucking thought so.
Edited by Patar136 on Sep 21st 2023 at 8:07:51 AM
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So much could have been resolved if Anakin’s ghost talked to Ben. But gotta keep the plot going and undo the happy ending of the OT to start the ST.
I'll teach you a lesson about just how cruel the world can be. That's my job, as an adult.
Oh, bother.
In Stover's sequel novel The Rise of Darth Vader, Anakin actually says something similar to Palpatine. He points to both of their sorry states and rhetorically asks Palpatine if they look like they won.
At which point Palpatine got fed up with Anakin's whining, reminding him that they ruled the Galaxy.
Disgusted, but not surprised
It's inconsistent, but there are implications that force ghosts are limited in who they can communicate with and where they manifest. In Legends force ghosts appeared all the time as a common thing for powerful Jedi and Sith up until the prequels made them into a discovery only understood by Yoda and Obi-Wan by the time of the OT (disregarding the Force Priestesses from Yodas TCW arc). Current canon only has force ghosts appear to people at specific times and/or places, and never to avowed darksiders.
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And Palpatine hates the part of the job that's actually ruling and Vader is Vader.
Huh, I guess they did. Turns out Harry Potter and Star Wars share some similarities.
At least in Harry Potter, when they resurrect a character, they do it on screen.
Low key though, a Sith shrine under the temple should totally be treated like the Chamber of Secrets. This imposing secret fortress with a monster below. I can see the story arc in my head already.
Edited by Patar136 on Sep 20th 2023 at 8:21:17 AM
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