Spider-Man: Far From Home (spoilers)

So I got thinking about how people weren’t sure if the Sinister Six could work as Spidey villains without them having to be depowered.

What if they’re set up, but aren’t Spiderman villains? What if instead they’re the villains of the next Avengers style film?

So the next Spiderman sets up more members of the Sinister Six and sees Peter become one of the leading avengers (especially publicly, as the most publicly known Avengers are gone) then we have the next Avengers film happen with the Sinister Six trying to destroy the Spiderman lead Avengers.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran

If Peter tries leading,he'll wind up dead,mark my words

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Has there ever been a consensus on who the strongest line up of the Sinister 6 is?

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If there’s anyone in any universe that shouldn’t be an illusion, or a Skrull, or HYDRA, or whatever, it’s J. Jonah Jameson. In a world where so many are assholes for ulterior reasons, Jameson should be an asshole because he truly believes in it. He’s way more interesting that way.

We don’t really know what the rules are for big Spider-mythos characters beyond Peter himself showing up in the rest of the MCU. We saw his class in Infinity War and Endgame, but not much more that.

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.

Honestly I'm starting to doubt we're getting the Sinister Six at this rate. Mysterio is dead (tentatively), Vulture isn't interested, and Scorpion has had barely any screentime.

Edited by LordVatek on Jul 5th 2019 at 3:49:26 PM

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Watching this movie, it's clear they did 1:1 switch out Tony Stark for Uncle Ben. Like there's an extremely blatant scene where they basically just replace Uncle Ben with Tony.

Not to mention, it's a little off-putting, as Vox's review put it, that "two of Spider-Man’s greatest foes — Vulture in Homecoming and Mysterio in this movie — have been reimagined not just as men formerly in conflict with Tony Stark, but as people specifically disgruntled with how little Stark was able to see past his own ego and massive wealth. Vulture is sore that Stark’s massive deal with the government pushed smaller cleanup crews (like the one Vulture owned) out of business; Mysterio is mad that Stark took too much credit for inventions and ideas dreamed up by other people. " In other words, Peter's an Outside-Context Problem.

The cold never bothered me anyway

On the flip side, literally anybody could be Mysterio (and his gang is still at large), Vulture could be coerced (he was only uninterested in selling out Spidey’s secrets), and Scorpion hasn’t actually become Scorpion yet.

Also Tinkerer is still out there, which gives an easy tech handwave if they want it.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jul 5th 2019 at 12:57:43 PM

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.

I've heard of everyone but the Tinkerer,he sounds,fairly obscure

Edited by Ultimatum on Jul 5th 2019 at 8:01:24 AM

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Well yeah they could force it if they want, it's just that they've put almost no effort into actually setting up the team itself beyond "These characters exist".

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I'd kinda like Scorpion to get his own movie. I always loved Scorpion.

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I'm surprised by the lack of Kingpin in all honesty,since he's the guy the helps form the group they'd set up him as the big bad before Sinister Six,but they haven't done that yet,so maybe they'll get someone else

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It's not like MCU Fisk is in a position to do that. Guess that'll be up to Norman.

I mean, they technically could bring in MCU Fisk, too. Although he has more of a grudge against Daredevil than Spider-Man.

Damn, what I wouldn't give to get a Spider-Man/Daredevil team-up movie.

We might see it in two years.

By that time, Peter will have arguably matured enough to be on a more even footing with Matt, rather than the Kid hero he is now (although he was never treated as such when he started).

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Isn't MCU Daredevil kinda... underpowred compared to Spider-Man? I doubt Spidey would be involved in long, arduous, painful, Old Boy style single take fights with a bunch of mooks.

Edited by GNinja on Jul 5th 2019 at 9:38:27 AM

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Maybe, but horn-head and the web-head have been long time allies for years.

Matt's kept pace with Peter in all that time even though the latter is physically much more powerful. He's at least nearly as agile and his Super-Senses give him a level of anticipation on par with Pete's Spider-Sense.

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I can see a joke where Daredevil has a badass one-take of him beating up a bunch of dudes and then at the end, Spidey shows up with a bunch more unconscious dudes behind him and asks him "What took you so long?"

It's been 3000 years…

Daredevil has always been underpowered compared to Spider-Man, but his skills lie in a different direction. In fact, if Daredevil had been the one to face off against Mysterio...well, Mysterio would have gone down immediately. Illusions don't work against a blind man.

For the most part, Peter has been made to be funny and laughable, which would make him impossible for Matt to tolerate. Furthermore, he'd be too overpowered for a team-up. He's possibly the strongest street level hero in the MCU, and he's definitely the fastest. Yet, I think it's very rare that we've ever seen him throw a punch. Fisk is an enemy that cannot be bought, convinced, or detained. Peter would be completely out of his depth fighting Fisk, and I doubt Matt would want a 16 year old kid to be going up against a mob boss as connected as Fisk is.

Edited by dmcreif on Jul 5th 2019 at 4:51:39 AM

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Mysterio did use illusions on Daredevil

Granted he knew he was blind and was tailoring his illusions

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Yeah, that was a situation where Mysterio knew about Matt's blindness. Usually, villains don't.

Hey, Matt tolerated Danny Rand, he can tolerate anyone.

.....yeah. You mean, "Guardian Devil" where he just…drugged the shit out of everyone who’s been in the story so far. Essentially, he kidnapped and drugged a fifteen-year-old girl, artificially inseminated her, killed her parents, drugged her again to convince her that her baby was the Messiah, and then killed her. He killed another man whose appearance he’s been using and stole his fortune and identity. Then he gave an accomplice named Lydia extremely specific “have sex with Foggy and then kill yourself” drugs.^note Even if she agreed to seduce Foggy she was clearly still under the influence of whatever she was on at the time so that’s nonconsensual., while also giving Foggy extremely specific “have sex with Lydia and then hallucinate that she’s a monster” drugs.^note Also nonconsensual Then he posed as a doctor to convince Karen she had HIV (meaning she likely didn't), gave both Matt and Karen “kill a baby, why not?” drugs which also triggered a strain of violent misogyny in Matt, sent Bullseye to kill straight-up like a dozen nuns and also Karen, and had Sister Maggie beaten.

Edited by dmcreif on Jul 5th 2019 at 4:59:17 AM

The cold never bothered me anyway

God, have comics always been edge incarnate?

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Beck must be really good at chemistry because these are very specific effects

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Well, that storyline was edgier than normal because it was written by Kevin Smith. And damn, I had forgotten how complicated and weird Mysterio's plan was, since, essentially, he was trying to pull a "Kraven's Last Hunt."