Fire Emblem Three Houses (Spoiler Thread)

Well the author is dead, so what they think the route is supposed to be will have not much weight on how we see it and based on how important Church characters are, it's pretty much the Church route, though I think it's supposed to be the redemption arc for the Empire and reconciliation between Adrestia and the Church of Seiros.

I think that, in the end, the issues of the SS route can be more attributed to simply being constructed as the "beta" route that IS never bothered to go back to and revise after they made the other three routes, either because of time constraints or maybe they just got lazy and simply couldn't be bothered.

So really, I think it's more of a case of neglect than the actual concept of the route being bad by default, cause as has been said before, the route actually has a ton of potential (that it unfortunately couldn't live up to). I mean, a story where you play as a teacher/mentor having to stop their former student's ambitions because of the chaos these caused? A story where members of the fabled dragon race of the world actually take central part in and we get to learn more about them? (and possibly even give said race a new future). A story where we actually get to side with the Church and get to know it more in-depth instead of them being portrayed as the typical corrupt bastards most other JRPG's out there seem enamored with portraying them like?

So really, Silver Snow could've been pretty unique as a route, but between the developers basically leaving it behind and not really polishing it up, how many things they left unanswered or up to interpretation and how much they shafted the leader of the route's faction, it ended up just not having the best of circumstances around it. I really do hope that if we ever get a remake of Three Houses one day, they decide to fix the route (along with the rough edges the other routes had), and they also allow Rhea to be playable in it and properly be the route's Lord.

Edited by Classics4Reality on Apr 26th 2021 at 2:40:42 AM

Responding to the response of my previous comment "What about the Half-Dragon Lord from FE 6 side material.", I said NO HUMAN BLOOD AT ALL. I want a Pure Non-Human, I would be cool with a Hybrid that doesn't include Human in it. Doesn't have to be a Dragon Either, you could come up with something completely different (That one Rumor back before 3 Houses properly announced what it was like, with the Vampires, that would suffice.), like go a step further and make them a Fey or Demon or some crazy shit like that, go full crazy (ALWAYS go full crazy.). I want to see something new and interesting.

I would actually dig in to the idea of a Laguz Lord with the ability to shift parts of their body to fight even in human form. My inspiration comes from Kipo from the show Kipo and the age of Wonderbeasts, it's a great show believe me, they even have a character that is better in the role Thales was supposed to fulfill. It's great, watch it, please!

That's basically Corrin. His Draogn Fang animation, as well as his movesets in Smash andWarriors, revolve around transforming parts of his body.

Yeah but as we said earlier, Fates wasted the Dragon aspect of Corrin and only acknowledged it in one chapter.

There isn't even a scene where the Nohrian family reacts.

A Laguz Lord in Tellius would be sick. There are parts of Tellius we still ain't seen (Where Wolf Queen came from.), I'm willing to bet there are some crazy things over on the other side of the Desert. Maybe An Entire Laguz Tribe (Bug Laguz, like Spiders or Scorpions.). While we are on the subject of Laguz, it's always talked about how interbreeding is a big no no for Humans and Laguz, but they also mention another No-No with Laguz of Different Tribes (Beast Tribe with Bird or Dragon and so on, as mating within your Tribe even if different doesn't seem to have any ill effect.), but we get neither an example nor explanation, so like......what does THAT do?

Edited by KouTheMad on Apr 27th 2021 at 4:13:15 AM

Speaking of Rhea. Is there anything in the game's data indicating how/when she and Jeralt were supposed to be recruited when they were still considered as playable units? Because all of the Church/Academy staff is recruited differently than the students, they only become available after specific plot events and either join automatically or require Byleth to have a high enough level.

Jeralt has way too many unused voice lines meant for monastery activities, though. His playable unit quotes can sort of be explained if he was meant to be controllable temporarely via the Mission Assistance mechanic (and that still doesn't account for the levelup lines because controllable allies don't gain experience), but other stuff can't. Having no supports also never stopped anyone, just ask Anna.

Edited by YnK on Apr 27th 2021 at 6:39:37 AM

That doesn't work. The story of the route is about rescuring Rhea; having her playable means the entire second half has to be compeletely rewritten, at which point it becomes no longer Silver Snow. If you want a playable Rhea, you should straight-up make a new campaign, unlocked after completing Silver Snow, Azure Moon, Verdant Wind, Crimson Flower, and Cindered Shadows. And while you're at it, make this a route where Jeralt survives and joins your army after the timeskip.

There are two reasonable new routes. One is the Commoner House; at the start of the story, Rhea gives you the option of mixing up the Houses so each one has students from all three countries, and you teach the one with all the commoners. I feel like Leonie would make the most sense as House Leader on this route, so maybe she sticks close to Jeralt and intercepts "Monica's" attack. Jeralt's then manages to escape with Rhea.

The other is Official Ashen Wolves, in which the Wolves are an official House. Yuri would presumably manage to spirit Rhea off the Abyss following the Battle of Garreg Mach. And perhaps thanks to his thief instincts he notices that "Monica" is in a rather suspicious location, so he is able to intercept her stabbing Jeralt.

Just some ideas.

I don't recall and injunctions about inter-tribe laguz marriages, and apparently in the Japanese version, Nailah and Rafiel are married, so that doesn't seem to be an issue. Based on Leanne and Naesala's paired ending, my guess is that children of laguz from different tribes are biologically of either the mother or the father's tribe.

I don't think Jeralt was ever intended to be playable, since the data that has been mined show that his support boosts are dummy values.

Edited by VampireBuddha on Apr 27th 2021 at 2:08:15 PM

Rescuing Rhea is one of the story's main points in part 2 yeah, but the same could be said about Verdant Wind and Azure Moon, it's not exclusive to Silver Snow, and rescuing her is not really something that drives the story forward since most of the characters' decisions and moves are always more focused on weakening Edelgard's hold on Fodlan rather than on rescuing Rhea.

If anything, I'd say SS is more about toppling the empire and uncovering some of the secrets behind the plot (rescuing Rhea just happens to intersect with that), which is a premise that can still be perfectly recognizable even with Rhea being present in the war phase. Hell, as a matter of fact, her being present makes it all the more engaging.

x4 I'm interested in how Corrin's character would be or change if IS had actually made their draconic qualities important to the plot and play an active part in the conflict of the story. How would you intersect Corrin being able to turn into a dragon with the overall plot of Nohr vs Hoshido? Sounds pretty engaging in concept, not gonna lie.

An idea I got thanks through this thread is to cut out SS as it is entirely and rewrite it to become an unlockable route after playing the other 3 or 2 of them where you can choose to become a church member and this not a professor and work as a commander of the church. You can go on missions with the 3 Houses and depending on how you choose, the story changes a bit. Jeralt is also playable and some of the missions on WC are replaced with others, in which you fight with Jeralt and learn a lot about his youth and Rhea this way. Ultimately Jeralt has...not to die and can be saved and instead you die. Sothis thus takes over the body completely and you play as Sothis. You would then have to piece more memories together and ultimately confront Rhea and her experiments which would lead to tons of family drama. Also the final boss would be either a modified Nemesis or Thales with a mech.

A better idea would be making VW the Golden Route and everyone can be happy, that is everyone who likes a VW that truly managed to address all of its themes 100% correctly or just almost of all of it.

Edited by Tropetalker on Apr 27th 2021 at 8:43:04 PM

Corrin being a dragon is mostly there to provide foreshadowing of their true parentage, which (to me, at least) really put some of the true antagonist's actions in a different light. How the story would change if the dragon part was more pronounced is probably better suited for the general Fire Emblem thread than the Three Houses thread.

Going back to Three Houses, I've always felt like the Shambhala raid was more satisfying on Silver Snow than in Verdant Wind, if only because I felt there was something poetic about characters from the empire striking back at the faction that aimed to turn the empire into their puppet.

Edited by dragonfire5000 on Apr 27th 2021 at 11:46:12 AM

Yeah, I believe it's best to discuss fates on a different thread than this one or even better, stop talking about fates at all, this game is already over and everyone already picked it apart and shreds already. That is my personal rule in regards to fates.

You must love irony then. I personally like it more in VW, because you are facing the exact opposite of Khalid's dreams for Fódlan, if not for the entire world for that matter and it creates a threat, a fear even of what Fódlan would become, if we didn't had people like him in this world and how working together to create a better future is better than segregation and dividing people.

It doesn't really just have to be only about irony though. I mean, we all can have our own reasons/interpretations to believe something is more fitting in one or other context.

Like, you could say the Eagles being the ones to destroy TWSITD is indeed poetic in a sense, cause TWSITD have been the ones corrupting (or trying to) the Empire for ages, so in a way that's what they represent: Corruption.

By having members of the Empire be the ones to take them down, it could represent the fact that, while people can easily let themselves be corrupted and go down a dark path, they're also perfectly capable of recognizing the seeds to said corruption and nip it in the bud before it's too late, so the BE's being the ones to defeat TWSITD can represent inner strength of will (not to mention it can also represent working together since they are all still working in conjunction with the Nabateans to defeat a common enemy).

Well that's one way of looking at it imo at least.

Edited by Classics4Reality on Apr 27th 2021 at 2:09:21 AM

Considering they get nearly everything they wanted even if they’re dead in the end even on CF, then they failed to nip that bud before it even began.

To me, this is just a retelling of the old history. The Empire created to serve the Goddess fulfils their duty again. I find a newcomer to the story more benefitting to the story and the well of all for the story of Fódlan.

Not really though? I mean, I guess you could say they got what they wanted by throwing Fodlan into chaos for a while through Edelgard, but in the end, they still failed to eradicate the remnants of the Nabatean civilization, they still failed to truly take down the Church and destroy the belief in Sothis, they couldn't get rid of Byleth and by the end of the war all of them are dead, their home/base is destroyed and whatever hold they had on Fodlan is gone. Like yeah, you could say that they kinda succeeded at first, but they still lost it all in the end and didn't really manage to leave any long-lasting effect, which is why I said "before it's too late".

Tbh, I think that in a way that's what you could say about every route of the game aside from Crimson Flower. A resistance army takes the land back from a person who got corrupted/controlled by the enemies of the Goddess. Having someone from another land be the one co-leading that doesn't really change it. I mean yeah, it adds a layer to it, but it's still the same kind of fight. Plus, the story is about much more than just the concept of it, and the fight against Edelgard and TWSITD, be it in SS, VW or AM, can all represent different themes and messages to the ones in the fight against Nemesis.

Edited by Classics4Reality on Apr 27th 2021 at 3:10:58 AM

Killing and removing the Children of the Goddess, especially Sothis, has always been their main objective. You cannot ignore that is their greatest and most desired objective to the point they will literally kill themselves just to end her and her Children.

Edelgard achieved their long standing wish and “Returned this world to mortal hands”. Saying that they didn’t win or have their poisonous ideals proclaimed by Edelgard is factually wrong. The only difference is that they don’t get to revel in it in the long run.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Apr 27th 2021 at 3:09:51 AM

Yes, of course that is their ultimate goal, but again, they failed at it, because by the end, Seteth and Flayn (along with Macuil and Indech) are still around, and Rhea can also still potentially be around if you have Byleth at least A-support her. And yeah, you could say that they also wanted to put the Nabateans out of power, but even in that they can potentially fail since if you S-support Rhea, she returns to her position as Archbishop and rules alongside Byleth.

And even if that doesn't happen, I'm pretty sure they still would've wanted someone who would've propagated their whole "the Children of the Goddess are truly monsters!" spout, which needless to say, neither Byleth or Claude (or Dimitri) is going to do. So at most a partial victory, but not the one they (TWSITD) actually wanted, and at worst, a plan that got it's tables completely turned against them.

Edited by Classics4Reality on Apr 27th 2021 at 3:34:11 AM

So, wait, the writers think it's bad when the Slitherers are racist but it's just fine when Edelgard does it?

Edited by MisterTambourineMan on Apr 27th 2021 at 3:35:37 AM

Seteth and Flayn can be killed as I was specifically referring to CF, which is also not comforting for Seteth or Flayn who are social and long for interaction with people compared to the antisocial recluses Indech and Macuil.

Ah, so you were referring specifically to CF. Sorry, guess I misunderstood, I thought you were talking about Silver Snow. My apologies. And well, in regards to Crimson Flower, well I guess I can't really say you're wrong, it does kind of have that feel of "lost the battle, but won the war" for the Agarthans. Tbf though, you *can* spare Seteth and Flayn if you have Byleth be the one to defeat them... but when you think about it, is that really any better? I mean, you're basically exiling them into another life of reclusion (which is also specifically the thing that Flayn said she never wanted to go back to).

Well I mean, she *is* one of the protagonists so...

Nah but seriously, I can't really speak for what the developers intended with that, but well, one could say that she simply didn't want them to return to power. But I don't know, those lines she had with Seteth and Flayn during her confrontation in SS and VW do sound pretty bad; it kinda had that energy of "because you're not human, I can't allow you to walk amongst us".

Flayns also never had a proper childhood. From the moment she was old enough to grip a weapon for fighting she’s been in battle. So she’s missed a massive chunk of her life before waking up recently.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Apr 27th 2021 at 5:14:34 AM

Hmm... can we really say that though? I mean, I don't think we know when exactly Seteth and his wife had Flayn; I mean yeah, the game does say that they met in Enbarr, but iirc, Enbarr predates the founding of the Adrestian Empire which (again, iirc) happened during the war, so for all we know, Seteth could've procreated Flayn before the War of Heroes.

We also don't know what exactly their lives were like back then tbh. I mean, yeah she clearly started fighting pretty young if her appearance is anything to go by, but for all we know, that's just what she looked like by the time of the war (or maybe she could've been a bit younger), she could've very well spent some of her even younger years living a relatively normal life before the war started. But then again, that's all just speculation on my part, who knows how events truly transpired back then (man, I really wish we could've gotten a prequel DLC in the same vein as Torna the Golden Country).

And the weird thing is that Edelgard's Fantastic Racism is arguably most prominent on Crimson Flower, which is the route where she's supposed to seem at her most sympathetic.

Behold, a piece of fanart that conveys the true depth of Edelgard's evil.

The city of Enbarr is about 1400 years old, IIRC. That gives us a ceiling as to Flayn's potential age. I don't know if we can say for sure when she would have been old enough to hold a weapon.

Edited by MisterTambourineMan on Apr 27th 2021 at 6:09:09 AM