Maurice isn't considered an Elite because of the monster turning.
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So how did his crest survive so long despite being " Cursed "
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Because they made sure to keep it a secret. Not to mention it can pop several generations after not having one.
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@Omega, look, I understand that the endings don't really give much to go on, but that's exactly why you kind of have to take them at their word. When every single character in the game repeatedly states that they want the war to end so they can start working on helping Fodlan, and the text repeatedly states that their efforts actually succeeded and they left the world a brighter place than when they started - why assume that any ending where Hanneman survives involves him mass-producing magical weapons and having the relevant Lord or Byleth invade Sreng or something?
Edited by RedSavant on Sep 12th 2019 at 10:53:43 AM
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He can't mass produce them so easily. He has a paired ending that specifically mentions having a successor who aided him not only allowed them to be produced at a much cheaper price AND allowed them to be mass produced easier too. And Lysithea continues his research that ensures it will only be improved after he passes.
So the benefits of it aren't as good as they are in one scenario.
Edited by OmegaRadiance on Sep 12th 2019 at 8:05:04 AM
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That's his support with Marianne, which does imply that House Edmund's funding was needed to produce the devices - but that's also the only ending (among those that involve the devices) that implies that Hanneman isn't drawing on royal funding, because it specifically says that he's nearly destitute. The same ending also says that Hanneman later developed a school of research to study peaceful Crest applications at Marianne's urging, which makes me imagine that she wouldn't fund or keep contact with/marry someone who was making weapons. Because it's Marianne.
I'm also wondering how you see producing magical weapons as "cornerstones of progress" and fighting inequality, unless you think everyone's proposed solution to the Crest problem is to give commoners shanks that home in on Crest blood.
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There is lot of useful crest that could be used out of combat. Healing ones and magical ones for example. Ones that spare uses of weapons could be repurposed for general tools ect...
^Exactly. Though the example that jumps to mind is, unfortunately for Bernie, wondering what happens if, say, your Crest of Indech activates while you're chopping wood or something. Do you just automatically axe another log without realizing what you're doing?
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That's the main issue with whether crests are useful out of combat or not. We don't know how their gameplay effects would translate out of gameplay.
I got my endings mixed up since I got Lysithea and Hanneman and read the Marriane one, but ingame endings do in fact vary based on who they get with and even the outcomes of their actions.
Like Seteth runs the church in GD and is still Byleths subordinate on Church, but other endjngs include things like becoming a storybook writer instead and writing books for children as others draw it.
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There are definitely more effects to Crests than we necessarily see in gameplay. Dimitri's Super-Strength and Jeralt being Long-Lived both speak to that.
That's true, and a very fair point to raise. I just think it's needlessly pessimistic to assume that the only thing he ever used his research for, at the behest of his comrades and in the middle of a new golden age for Fodlan, was creating more weapons to invade somewhere else. Maybe something like a bow that Ellie The Crestless Town Guard can use to protect a village from a dark beast or a group of bandits, sure, but I just can't imagine any of the survivors of the war eager to mass-produce weapons for an army.
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I'm not so sure that's an additional effect of Dimitri's crest so much as it's the same effect viewed through a different lens. Through the lens of gameplay, it doubles ATK, and through a narrative lens, it's super strength.
In short, same effect, just displayed differently for different contexts.
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So, anyone here trying maddening? Oh boy, it's living up to it's name.
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Weapons don't have to be made for invading elsewhere. Just protecting Fodlan is enough, which even the Crests had been mostly used for.
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That's true, but that's different from making them "only for war", and I feel like - though this isn't textual - if Hanneman started working on peaceful applications with Marianne, the chances are good that her did so with Lysithea or his own research foundation, as well. If the applications are there to be discovered, then surely they're also there to be discovered in other timelines, after all.
Like I said, the character endings are fundamentally happy endings, almost 100%, and while I'm sure things weren't all sunshine and fuzzy rainbows for all their lives, I do think the characters would strive to build the most peaceful and prosperous world they could. I don't think there are any characters who don't want (at least what they see as) what is best for Fodlan. Dubsteps not included, but also even them, I guess?
Edited by RedSavant on Sep 12th 2019 at 1:48:23 PM
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Well Ignatz does point out that even Those Who Slither see themselves as the heroes.
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HOLD EVERYTHING, I JUST FOUND OUT LEONIE HAS AN ACTUAL DAD. Like what the fuck? I thought she was an orphan and that was why she admired him so much, BUT SHE HAS A DAD? AND ONE WHO PUT HER THROUGH SCHOOL AND SHE ACTS LIKE HE DOESN"T EXIST? WHAT?!!!
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She doesn't want dad, she want DADDY. She would make great mother in law.
Leonie is unhealthily obsessed with Jeralt to the exclusion of all else. That's kind of her thing.
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Like i kinda found her Jeralt hero worship cute, but now it's suddenly become REALLY uncomfortable. Jeez.
This seems relevant.
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Want to know something that will forever turn you off her? of course, some perv looked at all the female characters' panties. Leonie's have the Jeralt Mercenary symbol on them.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA. Really? That's hilarious.
EDIT: Okay, you aren't kidding. FOR GOD"S SAKE THE IMAGE IS CURSED. MY EYES.
I think i saw that, and the sad part is, it's not out of character for Leonie. EDIT: Okay, can someone explain what's up with that kid's dialogue?
Edited by RedHunter543 on Sep 12th 2019 at 1:05:06 AM
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And there was a scholar who was bullying Marianne in the paralogue, so protecting the descendants of the Elites might not have been Rhea's goal.
Also on the Bernie censorship. WHY?
Edited by RedHunter543 on Sep 12th 2019 at 7:41:11 AM
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