Star Wars Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker (spoilers obviously)

Heck, even in his debut on Clone Wars, he only took on the Jedi after he wore them down by throwing an entire army at them.

And when he "kidnaps" Palpatine, he had a bunch of Magna-guards with him as backup and wore down the Jedi by chasing them across the city. By the time Shaak-Ti tried to take him on by herself, she was already tired out from all of that and from fighting the Magna-guards by herself and from running all the way to the chamber. Grievous even points out that she's tired before taking her lightsaber.

Edited by M84 on Oct 23rd 2020 at 12:35:26 AM

He really was a true Jedi Hunter.

The Inquisitors followed the same logic. With an intimidating weapon, scary armor and pursuing scared, tired Jedi. With the bonus of actual Force powers.

When he faces Mace Windu at the end, he doesn't have any psychological advantages aiding him. It's just him and a Jedi Master who has had it with these motherfucking droids in this motherfucking city.

It doesn't end well for Grievous.

And note that the Inquisitors are mostly seen going after Jedi who haven't even completed their training. They're only really able to be a challenge towards ex-Padawans or people who just realized they have the Force.

Edited by M84 on Oct 23rd 2020 at 12:36:40 AM

Grievous at least had the benefit of being seriously personally trained by a master.

The Inquisitor's were only given the bare minimum of exercise by Vader.

I don't think he liked them very much.

Their history is basically being kidnapped, tortured into insanity / misanthropy, forced to fight for the Empire, thrown into dangerous situations without any real support, a couple of which (in the comics) they're clearly not intended to survive and/or were straight up left behind to die in, and ultimately they get either killed off one by one by Jedi or Vader himself and nobody cares.

I feel for the Inquisitors, I really do. They're evil assholes, but they're evil assholes who were always doomed to lose.

It's still funny how in Rebels the most powerful and influential Inquisitor loses to the main characters, so the Empire tosses a couple of less skilled Inquisitors at the problem (after a brief stint of Vader absolutely kicking the problems' ass) as if that was going to help. It comes off as them just wanting someone to keep the situation going until someone else who was more competent was available to handle it.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 22nd 2020 at 9:49:46 AM

To be fair the two Inquisitors would have been successful, if not for Ahsoka, who by this point was a powerful non-Jedi.

Honestly, despite being "weak", if your name wasn't Ahsoka or Maul, the Inquisitors were still a deadly threat.

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If the Knights of Ren had appeared in Resistance, they probably would have been considered deadly threats.

Edited by JoLuRo075 on Oct 22nd 2020 at 10:38:57 AM

That's not a great point in their favor. They were very successful against a padawan and a padawan who was trying his best to be a Knight despite never having finished his own training - against Kanan they were more or less evenly matched, which tracks with Cal Kestis (who was in the same boat with Kanan) handling two of their more powerful members.

Against someone with complete (or basically but not officially complete, in Ahsoka's case) training - who would've made the bulk of their targets - they went down easily.

And that's just against Jedi. Against the Rebellion as a whole... I can't forget that moment where one of the Inquisitors botches an operation that was about to show decisive victory because he wanted to make a spectacular entrance.

To be fair, though, I think the benefit of the Inquisitors was supposed to be numbers. Both Rebels and the Vader comic shows them having much more effectiveness when working as a group. But then most of them keep insisting on working alone.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 22nd 2020 at 10:43:04 AM

That's what happens when you make the Inquisitor the Grand Inquisitor in Season 2. Personally, I thought he was just a low-level stooge sent to deal with Padawans while there are Inquisitors with higher levels of training and viciousness above him. Ones that truly earn the idea of Jedi Hunter.

Honestly, I kinda want to see an Inquisitor that doesn't talk or banter with their enemy. Something akin to the Daughters of Aku when they ambushed Jack in Samurai Jack. That kind of Inquisitor would honestly scare me, more so than even Darth Vader.

The good news is that thanks to the Knights of Ren, the Inquisitors can boast of not being the weakest Dark force users in the franchise.

I'm still disappointed in how weak they turned out to be.

Edited by JoLuRo075 on Oct 22nd 2020 at 10:48:40 AM

Have Palpatine's guards ever done anything noteworthy?

They managed to catch Ezra (season 4 of rebels), and would have managed to kill him had it not been for the bad aim of the stormtroopers.

Edited by JoLuRo075 on Oct 22nd 2020 at 11:07:30 AM

John Boyega talks Finn's Duel of the Fates role and says he'd consider returning to the franchise if they ever decided to tell that story.

"As of now, Boyega considers himself retired from active Star Wars duty, moving onto projects like Small Axe, which recently premiered at the New York Film Festival to rave reviews. But if Disney ever decides to tell the story that Trevorrow sketched out for Finn — perhaps as an animated Disney+ series — he’d consider booking a trip back to the far, far away galaxy. “I’m a Mandalorian fan, so Lucasfilm is doing very well with the TV shows,” he says, laughing. “An animated show would be dope! We could do it from home.”

Lol, he's basically saying he'll come back if he got to work with Dave Filoni.

Jokes aside, if there was ever a case of Boyega speaking with the voice of the fandom, this would be it. "I love the Mandalorian, and the tv shows have been great across the board, so we need more like that."

Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 22nd 2020 at 11:42:39 AM

Man he really must want to lead that revolution on Coruscant.

That itself was a really, really good sounding story, so I'm down with him. It showing up as a battle in a tv show a la the Battle of Umbara or the arc to depose Maul from Mandalore would work pretty well.

Also, the Vader comic is tying in to TROS.

"In his search for vengeance in the depths of MUSTAFAR, DARTH VADER has seized the mysterious key to the EMPEROR’S greatest secret. But the key itself needs a key — which only the deadly assassin OCHI OF BESTOON seems to have. Vader and Ochi are in for the fight of their lives with the fate of the Emperor in the balance — but how much of this is all PALPATINE’S plan? And what happens when the SITH LORD and the SITH ASSASSIN start to figure that plan out?"

#ReleaseTheFinnbellionCut

And throw in a FinnPoe smooch while we’re at it.

They are still trying... They are still fucking trying

I feel bad that the expanded universe has to just fill in the plot holes of the series. Expanded universe stuff should just expand on...the stuff from the films not try and make them make sense.

Expanded universe material should be more like an expansion pack or even <shudder> DLC.

It should not be the equivalent of a Day One Patch.

Well Darth Vader comics have been consistently high quality. Think they could pull this off.

It didn't help that a large chunk of the initial NEU for the ST was pretty much rendered invalid due to the Movies not really caring/sharing what they were doing.

Hell Last pretty much rendered any attempt to have Resistance elements outside of the Main fleet null with the whole "We're all that's left" speech in the middle...

I mean the whole Aftermath Trilogy becomes pointless because Sloane is a Non Factor...

I was convinced Finn was gonna end up being her son or something!

I don't have a problem with Ochi showing up in the Vader comic. The comic may end up fleshing out the character more but doing that isn't really "filling a plot hole". It's just bringing a character from the sequels into an earlier part of canon in an organic way.

Yeah, the Inquisitors were never intended to take on fully-fledged Jedi, just to hunt down scattered, weak, under-trained survivors. It's why Kanan and Ezra couldn't take them on at first, but when Ahsoka showed up she wiped the floor with both of them.