Star Wars Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker (spoilers obviously)

Trivia time: the frontrunner for the director of TFA before Abrams was Brad Bird, but he left to direct Tomorrowland.

So there's an alternate universe where the villains are jealous of the Force and need to accept the Jedi as their "natural talent" gods or something. Also no Empire or First Order because dystopia is evil.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Sep 19th 2020 at 12:49:44 PM

... we could've had Brad Bird directing these things?

Edited by KnownUnknown on Sep 19th 2020 at 1:05:58 AM

Both Star Trek and the sequels also gained him a bit of a Lying Creator reputation, if I recall correctly.

As they say a lie is not a twist.

JJ basically got the Job cause Steven Spielberg basically gave him a free pass, recommending him above the other potential canidates

I never saw Tomorrow land.

Is Brad Bird any good?

You are probably more familiar with his animated works

little no nothing film really

Iron Giant

Ratatouille

the Incredibles 1 & 2

OH RIGHT! He made Incredibles and Ratatouille.

Never saw Tomorrowland, but with the Incredibles I kinda wish we had him as a director now. At minimum he might have made the Skywalker family drama make more sense.

"Palpatine probably amused himself with all the workplace related deaths in the Empire."

A disregard for safety regulations is the one trace of his Naboo roots. That planet also has a strong aversion to safety rails, if my memory of the Jedi-Maul Duel serves.

Didn't Captain Panaka support the Empire?

My god, Naboo is secretly evil.

He did, yes. Actually became Moff of the Chommel Sector, but (in the old EU at least) he supported the Empire because it meant order. Naboo wouldn't be invaded by far-too-powerful corporations anymore over bullshit reasons that bring tons of suffering to his people, and there wouldn't be anymore huge civil wars because the Republic's corrupt legislature can't do anything.

He actually brought this up to Leia in the old EU as well.

"My mother fought for your people against tyranny, why will you not do the same?"

"Because your mother was also a weak queen in a period where we needed a strong one and her commitment to pacifism allowed the Trade Federation to conquer Naboo and start the Clone Wars even when she had more than enough chances to stop it before it began."

It's always interesting to see surviving Prequel characters react to the OT.

Yeah. In the new canon Saw Guerrera assassinated him, which was one big reason for the Partisans splitting with the main Rebellion because Mon Mothma thought that Panaka could have been turned.

Most of the Sympathetic Imperial characters come from the mindset that A: The Empire is BIG like super big to be micromanaged by a Supervillains like Palpy or Tarkin B: Not everyone in the Empire is a Mustache twirling villain. C: People value Stability and Security almost as much as Freedom

So with guys like Panaka or Kaine You had Imps who would rather run their sector smoothly then indulge in wanton cruelty

I imagine most of the cartoonishly evil Imperials just sneer at the good hearted Imperials despite being the competent people.

Motti: I'd like to file a complaint about Admiral Yularen. Bastard said we should stop killing squadrons who fail their missions.

Well probably till writers stopped doing what Zahn did and made Vader the type of guy who respects you doing your job right especially in spite of no support from the higher ups

Vader is the type of guy who will murder you for consistent constant failure or if its really obvious to him you aren't doing your job aka A lot of imperial Governors have found themselves choked cause Vader saw them as hedonistic idiots wallowing in their own comfort while he showed up to fix their planets problems.

"Because your mother was also a weak queen in a period where we needed a strong one and her commitment to pacifism allowed the Trade Federation to conquer Naboo and start the Clone Wars even when she had more than enough chances to stop it before it began."

That's some hardcore selective memory Panaka has. He was the one who told her they didn't have enough security forces to resist the Trade Federation in the first place.

Edited by Parable on Sep 19th 2020 at 9:14:22 AM

He also forgets that Count Dooku and the Separatists kept trying to kill her, and she actually fought back personally in EP 2. Is Padme a pacifist? Yes. Do you think you can walk on all over her and she won't fight back? Hell no.

I guess being an Empire bootlicker made him bitter?

Edited by RedHunter543 on Sep 19th 2020 at 12:19:00 PM

Sounds like a case of, "Screw you, got mine."

Naboo got through the Imperial era relatively unscathed and he made out just fine. Who cares if Mon Calamari, Corellia, Lothal, Kashyyyk and Geonosis got ground into the dirt?

And I say relatively because the fact that Naboo burst into street celebrations the minute they heard the Emperor was dead makes a lie of Panaka saying the Empire made everything better.

I imagine he saw peace and prosperity in Naboo as a police state.

Sure he's happy with Naboo rule, but no one else is.

Hell as I recall Naboo's queen was ashamed of Palpatine in the new EU.

I think Palpatine basically made it so the Queen of Naboo was a figurehead, and had it micromanaged because letting your homeworld get destroyed is a Bad Look. At the same time, Palpatine had a back up plan where if he died Naboo would be destroyed, so.

There are also sympathetic Imperials who saw the Empire as a genuine improvement from the Republic. Or, in some cases, as an improvement until they were exploited.

And then there were guys like Tarkin that always were fascists.

It's natural that there will be some corners of the galaxy that don't suffer so badly under the oppression of the Empire. The Empire was basically welcomed after the Clone Wars specifically because Coruscant itself was largely untouched, the Battle of Coruscant shook everyone into thinking it was better than the anarchy of a war of two superpowers.

He has a good eye for action and character arc, as his animated movies demonstrate. But he also has a fixation on his belief that some people are just inherently more talented that tends to seep into his work, getting at its most Author Tract in Tomorrowland. Got kinda boomer in that movie too with its shaming of cell phones and watching dystopian movies.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Sep 19th 2020 at 12:57:02 PM