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Sep 13th 2020 at 8:25:12 PM

Iím mostly saying you canít make a Rey focused series if the actress isnít entertain coming back.

Sure you can. It's a cold way of looking at it, but just make it without Daisy Ridley. As noted, Star Wars has a long history of doing plots and series with the characters therein without the involvement of their film actors and actresses.

Luke's academy was very non-traditional - it encouraged the Jedi trained there to follow their own paths (while making them aware of the dangers of the Dark Side) and also created an organisation that was much more loosely organised than the Jedi Order of old.

It's still Luke shutting off much of his character but the Jedi side and settling down to make a formal academy, which is what I was talking about. That the academy itself had less rigid roles doesn't mean that the niche Luke himself was put into was any less rigid.

One of the most notable things about OT Luke is that there was more to him than being a Jedi, which is arguably one of the things that allows him to win in the end. The Old-EU rebranded him to fit more a "founder of the New Order" role, which cut off a lot of his characterization imo.

I doubt they'd cast Ridley or Boyega in an animated series or anything like that. Although with how he basically carpet bombed bridges, I don't like Finn's odds.

As the most prominent black character in the story (and sold as much to a great degree), and a character whose usage is under a lot of scrutiny now for that specific reason, the only way I would see Disney dropping a bridge on Finn is if one of the Lucasfilm execs completely lost their minds and decided to doom the company to social suicide.

And since Disney proper has already done that with Mulan recently, they're going to be extra careful about it. Finn might be the safest character of all in the ST right now.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Sep 13th 2020 at 8:30:37 AM

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
FrozenWolf2 The Man, The Myth, The Legend from ?????
The Man, The Myth, The Legend
Sep 13th 2020 at 8:27:32 PM

To be fair AN Ytime they tried to have Luke retire or set Luke up for retiring from the Jedi life to start a family

'Hell that was the whole point of him and Mara finally tying the knot at the end of the Bantam era and him slowly shifting into Mentor Uncle role for the Twins and Anakin in NJO

Was Luke would hand off the reigns of Protagonist to the Kids and go be a family man...

Luke being a Farmer and brought green to Tatooine while the Order runs without him would have Said alot more then LUKE HAS VANISHED INTO EXILE and would have completed his role as foil to Anakin

Anakin could never choose... Luke Refounds the order and then goes live his life.

The issue is of course The next set of writers would want the OT trio in play in their story which lead saying this

The OEU had devolved down to Luke must Saber fight someone, Han out scoundrel someone and Leia needs to rebel against someone... Wedge may or may not take out whatever new SD variant single handedly

Edited by FrozenWolf2 on Sep 13th 2020 at 10:33:47 AM

"He's devious and amoral and unreliable and irresponsible andÖ and definitely not to be trusted."
slimcoder King Shark is a Shark
King Shark is a Shark
Sep 13th 2020 at 8:31:12 PM

You joke but thats pretty likely.

If you need a Triple-A female VA, Bailey is the first that comes to mind.

Edited by slimcoder on Sep 13th 2020 at 8:31:31 AM

"It's been an honor to fight by your side."
DrunkenNordmann from Exile
Sep 13th 2020 at 8:31:57 PM

[up][up][up] The last movie of the OT was also called "The Return of the Jedi". If there was anyone starting a new Jedi order of any kind, it'd be Luke.

Edited by DrunkenNordmann on Sep 13th 2020 at 5:32:05 PM

Ceterum autem censeo Iam Primum Postem esse delendam.
Parable So I Am Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
So I Am
Sep 13th 2020 at 8:32:53 PM

Rey having the same voice as Lucina and Lust. I would find that so amusing. [lol]

Nevertheless, you must persist.
Sep 13th 2020 at 8:33:41 PM

[up][up] I mean, I'm sure that's not literally what Lucas meant when he wrote that title.

Hell, the concept of a Jedi Academy wasn't even a thing during the OT.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Sep 13th 2020 at 8:34:43 AM

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
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Blue Reflection
Sep 13th 2020 at 8:35:47 PM

What would the other plan be? Have Luke pick up a young sidekick while he goes around having adventures, trains them as a Jedi and having them be the founder for a new Order or something?

Sep 13th 2020 at 8:37:48 PM

Going by what little we know of his own (hit or miss) ideas, his plans seems to have been more of an And the Adventure Continues future for Luke and the others. Which makes sense given his influences.

Presumably he would have had him a new start an Order of Jedi without settling down.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Sep 13th 2020 at 8:46:55 AM

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
Sep 13th 2020 at 8:46:42 PM

So kinda like the old EU?

The Protomen enhanced my life.
Sep 13th 2020 at 8:47:00 PM

Which would be a pretty cool idea too, for Rey - getting back on topic. A group that works like an adventuring party of Jedi, with Tagalong Kids that become squires and so on, playing up the "knight" part of the concept.

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
Sep 14th 2020 at 6:19:04 AM

No, I want them back to being an arm of a resurgent Republic. A wandering band of Jedi ronin seems too libertarian. You need STATE POWER.

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
Sep 14th 2020 at 6:26:02 AM

Didnt watch the prequels or the OT did you? Or did you just miss the point THAT hard

Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for you
RedHunter543 Nothing is absolute. Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Nothing is absolute.
Sep 14th 2020 at 6:55:41 AM

[up] What that Jedi with Government oversight is bad?

It took several thousand years for a Sith to infiltrate the Republic to subvert democracy along with several other corrupt pawns.

At least the Jedi came off as better than corrupt politicians.

theLibrarian That all you got? from his own little world
That all you got?
Sep 14th 2020 at 7:23:01 AM

I'm sure that Ridley and Boyega would be open to returning if they actually have a character, the same way Natalie Portman is coming back to the MCU even after her character was relegated to a plot device in the second Thor movie.

That is the face of a man who just ate a kitten. Raw.
RedHunter543 Nothing is absolute. Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Nothing is absolute.
Sep 14th 2020 at 7:33:08 AM

I guess Oscar Isaac is not open to returning?

He really is this gen's Han Solo AND Harrison Ford. XD.

blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
Sep 14th 2020 at 8:14:03 AM

[up][up][up], yeah I'm the back story.

Sorry if i don't take single sentence about a mostly legendary era as fact. There might not have been force wars, but the Jedi as supernatural enforcers of the law is about as appealing as protofascist government superhero stories.

Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for you
RedHunter543 Nothing is absolute. Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Nothing is absolute.
Sep 14th 2020 at 8:17:14 AM

[up] They are like Space knights, where ideally they work with a government as peace keepers with super-powers. Sure people don't like cops lately with all the controversy, but i don't think mixing in cops with Jedi is entirely fair. Like ideally, they are keepers of the peace, not just the law, and are supposed to be impartial when it comes to solving disputes. They aren't like a Senator's personal thugs or anything.

Speaking off, has there been any Jedi besides a certain psychopath on the Outbound flight who abused their position for personal comfort and accepted bribes?

Edited by RedHunter543 on Sep 14th 2020 at 8:19:31 AM

CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
Sep 14th 2020 at 8:31:45 AM

A Jedi with no government oversight is no better than a militiaman and needs to be put down for the good of all. ďFollowing the will of the ForceĒ just means you donít believe youíre answerable to secular authority. Itís the same attitude that makes churches hide and shuffle pedophile priests from diocese to diocese and itís the kind of attitude that, among armed groups, leads to Waco-like situations. Thereís something just inherently untrustworthy about a message of being detached from secular authority.

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
Sep 14th 2020 at 8:55:03 AM

The Jedi had flaws, but you're exaggerating.

And it is noteworthy that was the republic itself and not the Jedi who gave power to Palpatine.

Edited by JoLuRo075 on Sep 14th 2020 at 8:55:24 AM

Sep 14th 2020 at 8:58:17 AM

To note, I never said Rey's group should act independently of the Republic. What I suggested was that they be less centralized.

That said, to do think a lack of rigid state power would be an interesting place to go for the galaxy as a whole post TROS - where nobody is interested in a republic and the galaxy has been split between those looking for union, independent warlords, burgeoning conquerors and neutral states. Essentially the idea that the First Order may have been defeated, but the cracked the galaxy like a pick to a stone in the process.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Sep 14th 2020 at 9:01:52 AM

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
FrozenWolf2 The Man, The Myth, The Legend from ?????
The Man, The Myth, The Legend
Sep 14th 2020 at 9:00:03 AM

I mean your in the catch 22

You either have the Jedi be their own independent group again but be like Batman/Superman with a Moral Code you know most if not all of them will abide by

or if you do make them the arm of the Republic... That Secular Authority has to have that built in moral code you know that most if not all of them will abide by

Effectively one has to be moral upstanding... not perfect but generally heroic

which one is more open to drama

[up]

Then again the ST pretty much ruined the idea of a New Republic cause it had no interest and found it a burden for its conflict and no one in the resistance seems to have any motive outside of Beat the first order

like seriously... The Resistance is pretty much in a Now What? scenario since all they are is a independent militia

Edited by FrozenWolf2 on Sep 14th 2020 at 11:02:50 AM

"He's devious and amoral and unreliable and irresponsible andÖ and definitely not to be trusted."
blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
Sep 14th 2020 at 9:22:04 AM

[up][up][up][up]Difference is, the Force objectively exists and directly influences fate and future. It's even built into the powers they have that aren't related to divination. Their blaster parrying abilities come directly from giving control of their limbs to the Force.

There's a reason the OT jedi get more respect than the PT ones. The OT Jedi don't answer to an authority except the Force and the Way. The PT Jedi put galactic government before the Way and they paid for it.

Edited by blkwhtrbbt on Sep 14th 2020 at 11:23:46 AM

Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for you
slimcoder King Shark is a Shark
King Shark is a Shark
Sep 14th 2020 at 10:15:08 AM

Wait what OT Jedi?

It was just Luke & a little Obi-Wan or are we counting Ahsoka, Ezra, & Kanan?

"It's been an honor to fight by your side."
Sep 14th 2020 at 10:33:58 AM

In the big picture, OT Yoda and Obi-Wan were kind of broken shells of their former selves. That they raised Luke to effectively be a hitman and didn't even want to tell him the guy he was killing was his father, and tried to get him to avoid helping others to fulfill his training - while all pragmatic moves - show they had become fixated on their mission and had themselves lost a lot in the transition.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Sep 14th 2020 at 10:34:20 AM

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
RedHunter543 Nothing is absolute. Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Nothing is absolute.
Sep 14th 2020 at 10:36:33 AM

Plus itís a bad example to use the OT, because Luke finds his own way to win over Vader and Palpatine completely against Yoda and Obi-Wanís advice.


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