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slimcoder I'm No One Special. Just a Passing Pro Wrestler.
I'm No One Special. Just a Passing Pro Wrestler.
Apr 15th 2019 at 10:59:20 AM

[up][up] Don't forget the book. The pointless backstory back that will now never be mentioned or used for the character. tongue

[up] Ha. [lol]

Mizerous Gwanda Forever from New York? Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Gwanda Forever
Apr 15th 2019 at 11:00:35 AM

[up] I mean at least Smoke might have a backstory with Papas, but Plasma is and was nobody important.

Edited by Mizerous on Apr 15th 2019 at 2:00:50 PM

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Ultimatum ◕ ◡ ◕ Disasturbator from England Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
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Apr 15th 2019 at 11:00:38 AM

Still think Plasma should have come out cubed

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alliterator professional crastinator from Southern California
professional crastinator
Apr 15th 2019 at 11:01:51 AM

So...Plasma is kind of like Boba Fett, right? Because Boba Fett appeared very little in the original trilogy, died quickly, and was only fleshed out in the EU.

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Dirtyblue929 Armchair Developer from A Very Deep Hole Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
Armchair Developer
Apr 15th 2019 at 11:03:43 AM

It's a shame about Phasma because Gwendolyn Christie clearly enjoyed the character and wanted to do something cool with her; she helped write the book and honestly it and the comic made her into an interesting, complex Hate Sink. Too bad none of that characterization made it into the following movie, where she instead got bridge-dropped.

Edited by Dirtyblue929 on Apr 15th 2019 at 11:06:22 AM

"Oh no, I'm not brave enough for politics."
Mizerous Gwanda Forever from New York? Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Gwanda Forever
Apr 15th 2019 at 11:04:34 AM

I missed the part where Plasma actually because a meme worthy character. I guess she is one if only for how wasted she was in the film.

Does whatever a Spider-Gwen does.
Apr 15th 2019 at 11:07:46 AM

Them’s the breaks I guess. She’s dead despite not doing or saying anything while Sheev pulls up in a World Devastator and sunglasses. That is the sequels right there, tossing aside interesting new ideas to focus on new ideas that were less interesting until they have to bring back the arc villain of the previous two trilogies to save the plot.

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slimcoder I'm No One Special. Just a Passing Pro Wrestler.
I'm No One Special. Just a Passing Pro Wrestler.
Apr 15th 2019 at 11:11:04 AM

Here is the fundamental difference between Fett & Phasma: Fett was never intended to be an important character.

All he was was just some mook with cool armor & he had that armor only because Star Wars has great costume design, not because he was actually important. The fans latched onto him, because of said cool armor & he was then made into a more substantial character in an act of fan-service.

Phasma was advertised & hyped as a major character alongside Kylo & that other guy to the point of getting movie posters & shit about her which made the fact that she was a totally useless-ass character far worse than what happened to Fett. She was supposed to be intended to be a major character which is why the bungling with her is so noticeable & humiliating.

Edited by slimcoder on Apr 15th 2019 at 11:16:23 AM

Apr 15th 2019 at 11:15:18 AM

Phasma was so shameless a concept. If you needed any proof that these films relied on nostalgia you only had to look at her.

Ultimatum ◕ ◡ ◕ Disasturbator from England Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
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Apr 15th 2019 at 11:15:52 AM

You could have replaced her with a robot and it would still be the same character!

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Apr 15th 2019 at 11:17:12 AM

I still find it weird how fast she folded in TFA when her armor makes her Nigh Invulnerable.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Apr 15th 2019 at 11:17:32 AM

doineedaname from Eastern US
Apr 15th 2019 at 11:20:50 AM

I'm not sure it's true but I heard it was originally supposed to be some random Mook who was forced to lower the shield, but Abrams decided to use Phasma for it.

At which point afterward her character was completely changed from total fanatic to self serving coward to make it make sense.

Mizerous Gwanda Forever from New York? Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Gwanda Forever
Apr 15th 2019 at 11:30:20 AM

But why? Why not just use the mook if you aren't gonna do shit with Plasma?

Edited by Mizerous on Apr 15th 2019 at 2:30:33 PM

Does whatever a Spider-Gwen does.
AlleyOop Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
Apr 15th 2019 at 11:31:13 AM

It's not like he knew Rian Johnson wasn't going to do anything with her.

blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
Apr 15th 2019 at 11:32:00 AM

Phasma and TR 8 R should have swapped places

Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for you
Ultimatum ◕ ◡ ◕ Disasturbator from England Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
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Apr 15th 2019 at 11:34:28 AM

No because then he would have quickly stolen the spotlight from everyone else,then you'd have to include Raven

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alliterator professional crastinator from Southern California
professional crastinator
Apr 15th 2019 at 11:34:33 AM

Phasma was so shameless a concept. If you needed any proof that these films relied on nostalgia you only had to look at her.
Wait, how does she rely on nostalgia? She's a chrome stormtrooper, something we've literally never seen before. Sure, she was hyped up, but not for any nostalgia factor.

"What, you think I won't fight a dinosaur? Are you crazy? All I want to do is fight dinosaurs." — Squirrel Girl
slimcoder I'm No One Special. Just a Passing Pro Wrestler.
I'm No One Special. Just a Passing Pro Wrestler.
Apr 15th 2019 at 11:39:18 AM

Wait if she was never intended to have given Finn the info, then what was she riginally supposed to have done in TFA?

Dirtyblue929 Armchair Developer from A Very Deep Hole Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
Armchair Developer
Apr 15th 2019 at 11:50:09 AM

[up][up] I think he's saying that they were clearly trying to recreate the Boba Fett hype.

"Oh no, I'm not brave enough for politics."
Apr 15th 2019 at 12:58:56 PM

I always get a chuckle out of all the wasted time and effort that went into making Phasma in an attempt to make a Boba Fett for the sequel.

Meanwhile, TR8R was meme'd into existance whithin a day by the fandom.

Edited by MrSeyker on Apr 15th 2019 at 12:59:18 PM

theLibrarian That all you got? from his own little world
That all you got?
Apr 15th 2019 at 2:18:53 PM

Mainly because PHASma never got to do anything cool. We saw her walk around and be badass, yeah, we saw her fight Finn, yeah, but that was it. She didn't try and fight her way out of her encounter with Han, Finn, and Chewy, she didn't see any action on Takodana, she didn't even really do anything in The Last Jedi either. She was a lot cooler in The Last Jedi, because she actually saw action, but she never really got the opportunity.

If anything, Boba Fett was the same way. He pops up like ten minutes apiece in each episode; the only reason people liked him was because his armor was cool.

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CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
Apr 15th 2019 at 2:43:35 PM

Phasma is an example of how meme magic can't really be manufactured top-down without looking weird. I mean, the mysterious armored thug trope that Boba, Jango, and Phasma all embody was always superficial, but at least with Boba, the weird fan attachment was unintended, and in Jango's case, there was at least a character behind the armor — to the point where he has more screen time out of it, or with at least the helmet removed. With Phasma, she's nakedly an attempt to recapture fan attachment to Boba Fett, but with no character underneath the armor should that not be successful.

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Ultimatum ◕ ◡ ◕ Disasturbator from England Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
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Apr 15th 2019 at 2:48:08 PM

Jango's appeal is that he was an actual threat to Luke,and he captured Han,Plasma never did anything that came close to that,she kept coming after Finn though

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Apr 15th 2019 at 2:48:18 PM

I would’ve liked to see Phasma have a greater action presence, not only for the thrills but also to contrast her character-wise with Kylo Ren. Kylo thinks he’s Vader, the enforcer and face of the First Order. Phasma actually IS the Vader, the one who molds all the troops into shape and personally leads the assaults to gain the FO power.


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