Captain Marvel - Spoilers

Loki was literally selling his body for privilege and that the Grandmaster was a sack of slaving garbage

Why would that be an obstacle for shipping them?

Because people act like Loki has some emotional attachment or investment to the Grandmaster and Vice Versa. Loki on Sakarr was a piece of ass, nothing more.

Loki / Grandmaster keeps the shippers from Loki / Thor.

And Jeff Goldblum has a sense of humor about it.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Mar 24th 2019 at 8:06:40 AM

The undertones regarding the relationship between Loki and the Grandmaster are really, really gross….

Shippers gonna ship. Goldblum and Hiddleston are hot; there’s potential for consensual they’re both manipulative assholes or woobie traumatized but hiding it Loki. *shrug*

FINALLY saw that movie; took me some time, but I did.

Well, now that I have seen it... yes, it's definitely a feminist movie. I however fail to see how that ruins the movie; I mean, the feminist undertones are clearly there, but they aren't at the detriment of the movie, and it's definitely not suggesting any ridiculous thing such as male being inferior. The haters were out of their damn mind if they seriously felt offended by that. Nothing new under the sun, I guess.

As for the movie itself... I honestly don't get people who thought Carol was bland. I personally think she was pretty awesome and got a nice Character Development. And to me she already had plenty of personality to begin with. Though admittedly, so did the other characters; Fury was great as expected, Talos is awesome (and hilarious), and God do I agree that Goose is the real star of this movie^^'

Overall, I really have only two complains. First, I kinda wish the Kree had been more fleshed out. Them being the bad guys was visible a mile away, obviously, but I feel like it'd have been nice to give them some genuine redeeming quality, or at least explanations for them being such assholes. I will still admit though, Carol beating the shit out of them was highly cathartic.

Second, while it doesn't bother me that much personally... I do kinda see why some fans had a problem with Fury losing his eye like this. Kinda takes the mystic away from the character for the sake of a joke. I won't go as far as to say it made the character ridiculous obviously, but still...

Given how much of a secretive liar Fury is, him losing an eye because he annoyed a space tentacle monster cat and then him letting people think he got tortured or something will never not be amazing to me.

Also... where has Goose been from 1995-present? Where’s the best kitty gone?

Also... where has Goose been from 1995-present? Where’s the best kitty gone?

I am wondering the same thing. Most likely it either died or left in-between, but part of me hope we'll see it show up again at some point. Like found sleeping in a special SHIELD room or something.

I really want to see Goose interacting with Rocket.

I hope Goose is still around. I love that cat so much. Best flerken cat.

Oh god, same. The issues of Captain Marvel where Rocket is yelling about Chewie (Carol's cat in the comics) being a flerken are absolutely hilarious and I would love to see that in the MCU at some point.

Yeah, gotta say, of all the complaints I've seen about this movie, this one is one of the complaints that baffles me the most. (Well, along with complaints that the movie was a "girls rule, boys drool" sort of thing, but the people who say that make me think they never actually saw the movie.) I loved Carol right from the start, and, even though I had read all her comics before, I hadn't loved her (I liked her well enough, but not loved) as much as I ended up loving her after the movie ended.

Edited by DeathsApprentice on Mar 25th 2019 at 7:46:20 AM

Not only is the feminism not impacting the movie negatively, I think it is one of its strongest aspects. Maybe even the main reason why Captain Marvel is still going strong at the box office.

My other favourite part was ironically computers from the 1990s. It just made me laugh every single time they had to wait around for something to load.

I don't quite get it either, her little smirk alone made me fall in love with her.

Edited by Swanpride on Mar 25th 2019 at 4:47:55 AM

Her very first “oops” grimace when she blasts Yon-Rogg during the training session just kills me. I love her.

I also don't get the notion that she doesn't have enough personality or that we don't know enough of her. We know that she was a tomboy, we know that her family didn't support her dreams, we know that she was stubborn enough to push forward nevertheless, no matter how often she fell down along the way, we know that she always wanted to do something which matters with her life, we know that she enjoyed karaoke and having a good time, we know who her favourite music artist is, we know that Mar-Vell was some sort of mentor figure to her, and we know that no matter what, she will always fight on. Oh, and she is not above cheating and defending her cheating.

The feminist undertone wasn’t too over the top which is admittedly what worried me. It wasn’t like 2016 Ghostbusters where every male is a complete idiot or a boor because of Feig. There are competent men, and incompetent men. Heroic women and villainous ones. No one on the heroic side was talking down to Carol or Monica because she was a girl, and Fury welcomed Monica’s help going into space. So that didn’t hurt the film, it just highlighted its main themes.

> Also... where has Goose been from 1995-present? Where’s the best kitty gone?

Might find a litter of Flerken in the future..

Not only is the feminism not impacting the movie negatively, I think it is one of its strongest aspects. Maybe even the main reason why Captain Marvel is still going strong at the box office.

Agreed. I admit, seeing her go full Golden Super Mode at the end after all the crap she had to go through was highly cathartic to watch. I am a sucker for tomboyish girls who kick ass^^

The feminist undertone wasn’t too over the top which is admittedly what worried me. It wasn’t like 2016 Ghostbusters where every male is a complete idiot or a boor because of Feig. There are competent men, and incompetent men. Heroic women and villainous ones.

Exactly. I distinctly remember someone telling me the movie was blatantly anti-male because according to him all men were evil or dumb safe for Fury and Coulson. Now, aside from the fact that already contradicts his argument to begin with (two good males isn't bad), I wonder which movie he watched to say that. Or is that supposed to suggest Talos somehow doesn't count due to being an alien?

I saw the movie with a guy yesterday who said someone complained to him about Fury being scanned as “human male, little to no threat” versus “human, little to no threat.”

Thankfully, the guy said that seemed like a stretch to him, ditto the Fury washing dishes complaints.

It bears repeating: The difference between Ghostbusters 2016 and Captain Marvel is not a matter of feminism, it is a matter of good writing.

Do you thing woman enjoy it when directors think that the right way to elevate a women is to portray men as idiots? It's frankly insulting, because it implies that there is no way that a woman can shine if the males are realistic written. (btw, the "everything is an idiot with the exception of the Ghostbusters" was already a problem in the original movie, except that in this one, nearly everyone was male anyway).

Captain Marvel does it right. It tells an empowering story which is easy to connect to, because it reflects what so many of us experience.

The theory that Chris Hemsworth’s character was Thor trying a secret identity makes everything better

he then started working for the Men In Black

Edited by Ultimatum on Mar 25th 2019 at 12:52:29 PM

You have to try in a couple of secret identities to see which one fits

It’s not like he was just going to put on glasses and get a job as a construction worker!

Fury cleaning the dishes WITH CAROL just seems like the sort of thing you do when a family feeds you dinner. You help clean up. It’s just polite.

I wouldn't trust fury to do the dishes unsupervised,you'd come back and find he's dropped half of them

Evidently toxic masculinity precludes being courteous

The guy I saw the movie with was like “well I guess in some conservative/traditional homes the mom/womenfolk always do dishes but...??????”