Avengers Endgame spoiler thread

Unless Chris Evans is willing to do offscreen voices that is. But doing the old voice might be taxing on this throat.

I dunno, it seems kind of strange that this character who's been so critical to the plot of so many movies doesn't often get an opportunity to have a voice of his own, past the first one. Don't get me wrong, the scenes he does have are usually pretty good because Sebastian Stan is a strong physical actor, but it's discordant.

Edited by AlleyOop on May 4th 2019 at 6:58:24 AM

I also feel like some of the criticism, while valid, to be a bit nitpicky for my liking.

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Well, Sebastian's going to get to flex his muscles in the series, and Civil War shows that he has great chemistry with Anthony, so I can't wait for that one to start.

It's a great opportunity bolstered by the two's natural chemistry so I'm very curious as to what it's going to be about. Likely a way to carry on the adventures of Captain America's legacy now that his film saga is over.

Two hot dudes kicking ass & taking names on an epic brotrip.

Chocolate & Vanilla Swirl anyone?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

She didn't even get a proper funeral.

Yeah, even some hint that she got a funeral would've been nice.

Honestly, this stuff about Natasha's death not making sense within the broader context reminds me of some of the problems I have concerning Daredevil killing off Ray Nadeem (with Nadeem, it was that it made sense for his character to die, but it also continued a trend of that show of killing off the non-white series regulars in each season).

The cold never bothered me anyway

Nope, she says "The flow of what you call time is created by the Infinity Stones." Removing any Stone from its proper timeline will result in bad things for that timeline — hence, even if those timelines are currently split from the main timeline, Cap still has to return the Infinity Stones to them.

The Russo Brothers have said that even though Thanos atomized the Stones, they still exist...in atomized form. Which means they might reform again over the centuries. But in the present day...yeah, Dr. Strange doesn't have his chief weapon against Dormammu, which they will probably go over in the next Dr. Strange film.

Well, we don't know what the Soul Stone actually does in the MCU, but in the comics, the Soul Gem allows the user to manipulate any soul, living or dead. Which is probably why it was the hardest to get, because something like that probably shouldn't be used at all.

But the Ultron we see in the movie is specifically the Mind Stone's AI combined with Tony's Ultron program. Without the Mind Stone, Ultron would just be...a peacekeeping program and that's it. It wouldn't have gone evil.

The problem with all of this is that it requires time. There needs to be time for us to see Cap and Bucky see each other again and time for Bucky to talk to Tony again before he sacrifics himself. And if this was actually a television show, I have no doubt that we should see those things — but it isn't and we are limited in what we can see by time. Yes, there are three hours in this movie, but even with those three hours, I can't even see a time when Bucky and Tony would have been on-screen together, let alone have a heart-to-heart conversation.

(Patrick H. Willems goes into this more in his "What's Wrong with the Marvel Cinematic Universe" videos, about how they dropped the ball with Bucky's story, because they didn't really go in depth after Winter Soldier. The movies were more about Captain America and Iron Man than they were about Bucky, so Bucky never really became the focus. And then he went to cryosleep and then he was dusted. Hopefully, the Falcon and Winter Soldier series will provide him with more characterization.)

We already see that Tony has grown during the five year timeskip: he no longer blames Cap when he sees him. And, when they are doing their Time Heist to 1970, he and Cap have a moment where it seems like their friendship is repaired ("Do you trust me?" "I do.").

Edited by alliterator on May 4th 2019 at 5:37:10 AM

Just came back from watching it for a second time with my mom (to celebrate my birthday, which was yesterday). Yeah, this movie is fucking fantastic. I think it's the best in the MCU, the story is tight and the acting, writing, directing, all are amazing. There are also just too many call-backs, references, and nods to previous films, it really feels like the planned culmination of everything the MCU had been building up to.

Watching it again, it amazed me how much the movie foreshadowed itself, even the tiny elements. Tony and Nebula's game of finger football foreshadowed Tony flicking Scott. Steve mentioning his time in the ice with the therapy group foreshadowed his retirement at the end. There's so many more moments like that throughout the film.

All of the criticisms either feel like nitpicks or I have a different perspective on. Endgame isn't quite as innovative as Infinity War was, story-wise, but it also feels much more cohesive and the pacing is better.

Even a week later, just thinking about certain scenes in the film blows my mind over and over again, it's just too good.

Tony getting over his resentment of Cap is a relatively easy hill to climb over, because Steve wasn't the primary party, just an accessory. He didn't blame him, he felt betrayed by him, and Endgame harkens a return to the status quo that existed pre-Civil War. I was more curious whether Tony would've been able to get over his desire for revenge.and the grief over his dead parents; what we did see was him reconciling with his father in person, which was nice, but more of a payoff to the events of Iron Man 2.

I think the main problem with the way the films handle Bucky is that he's often treated more like a Living Macguffin for Steve than a proper character. He exists to be fought over and mourned when lost, but once the battle is over his relevance to the protagonist dissipates. It's annoyingly like how they treat love interests in shounen (I'm looking at you, Kairi), which is ironic because they avoided those issues with Steve's actual love interest. The Falcon and The Winter Soldier seems like their chance to finally avert this, unless they're that determined to stick with this that they'll really make him an Advertised Extra.

I didn't notice Infinity War being that innovative aside from its featuring of a Villain Protagonist. You're right that it had a less conventional movie structure, and in my opinion that's because it didn't really have a strict structure; it felt more like a cavalcade of events. I personally saw Steve's therapy group session as a shoutout to Sam and an honoring of his memory by taking on his duty.

Edited by AlleyOop on May 4th 2019 at 9:59:43 AM

We're PROBABLY getting a second trailer for Spider-Man: Far From Home as early as this coming Monday.

So why am I posting here?

Because APPARENTLY the trailer will spoil Avengers: Endgame in a pretty significant way.

Allegedly.

Read at your own risk.

No, seriously. Look away because it might REALLY be true and if it is, will have HUGE ramifications for live-action Spider-Movies.

Last chance!

Last last chance!!!

Going once!

Going twice!

3...

2...

1...

Thanks to the Avengers flouting time and space to bring back the people who got Thanos'd, the multiverse has gone sideways and now the Mysterio in FFH is from a DIFFERENT universe. And some are already assuming this means we're getting a live-action Spider-Verse movie pretty soon.

Don't say I didn't warn you...

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on May 4th 2019 at 12:09:26 PM

Radical

Never thought they’d take inspiration from that

Forever liveblogging the Avengers

I have a feeling that Mysterio is totally lying and using what happened in Endgame to his advantage. Of course, there could be a big twist in that he's telling the complete truth and he's from a universe where Mysterio is a good guy. Which still means that there could be a Mysterio from the MCU universe who is a bad guy. TWO MYSTERIOS.

Edited by alliterator on May 4th 2019 at 7:05:15 AM

If I recall correctly, in Spider-Men, the first story with Miles Morales and Peter Parker officially met, 616 Mysterio and Ultimate Mysterio turned out to be one and the same. The latter was basically a robot body being remote-controlled by the former.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on May 4th 2019 at 7:09:43 AM

Oh shit they're doing the Incursions aren't they.

Edited by LordVatek on May 4th 2019 at 10:11:30 AM

This song needs more love.

Hohshit

Forever liveblogging the Avengers

Probably not.

DUUUUUUUUUUUDE

Awwww, spoilsport.

Edited by TheMageofFire on May 4th 2019 at 7:37:00 AM

That sounds like a perfect lead-in to both Spider-Verse and, eventually, Secret Wars. The newest Secret Wars, at least.

Isn't Mysterio the one that does the Mind Screw stuff? Probably he is just faking the whole alt universe thing

inb4 he is Loki that escaped with the Tesseract

Uni cat

Who are the Incursions?

The constant death of the multiverse.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

But like they said, Mysterio is has been part of multiverse stories before.

Yeah, they were what was wrecking the multiple alternate universes in Jonathan Hickman's Avengers series, which led to Secret Wars (2015).

And on that note, HOLY EFFING SHIT, IS THAT WHAT THIS COULD BE?! I REALLY DIDN'T THINK SHIT WOULD HIT THE FAN THIS SOON. THIS RAISES FURTHER QUESTIONS WHAT IF THIS IS HOW WE GET MCU X-MEN AHHHHHHH

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on May 4th 2019 at 12:29:51 PM

Also Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. is dealing with alternate Earths too apparently. Just saying.

As a side note, everyone should read Hickman's Avengers run. It's good stuff.

Edited by LordVatek on May 4th 2019 at 12:26:27 PM

This song needs more love.