Avengers Endgame spoiler thread

Finally, I predict a page-topper.

Alright, I've watched the movie and enjoyed it quite a bit as an epic sendoff to the last 10 years.

One thing I can't stop thinking about though: Steve chooses to go back and live the life he never got to have by starting over in 1945 or so. While it's understandable and he's certainly earned it after the sheer amount of things he's been through, I can't help but wonder what it feels like to live with the knowledge of everything that will happen in the world in the next 75 years - the whole Cold War, Vietnam, the Berlin wall, 9/11, plus the dramatic changes in society, culture, technology, everything. Not to mention whatever secret superhero stuff is happening behind the scenes the whole time too. Part of me feels that he could and should try and right those wrongs in history with the power he has, yet I also know it sounds a bit unfair to ask it of a man who has already helped to save the world multiple times.

So, since there was some confusion about it I can now confirm: Howard the Duck is indeed participating in the finale battle. He is in the scene when Wasp arrives and turns big. You can see walking him in the background between the Ravager-type characters (which, I guess, means that we can assume that Aleta and Co were also present in the battle even if they didn't go as far as springing for Stallone for a small cameo).

And I think a few of the ships might have been from the Nova Corps?

Do we ever actually see Howard.... fight?

Because so far all he’s done in the movies is drink

In the comics he knows Quack Fu but that’s just Kung Fu as performed by a duck

Once it's on home release (or possibly earlier I guess through    legitimate means   ) there will probably be a lot of going through the final battle with a million freeze frames. I couldn't really make out anyone who isn't a main character, though the Wakandan troops were fairly obvious.

They could also fairly safely retcon a new character into that battle if they could reasonably have been with one of the heroes at portal time.

Edited by HalfFaust on Apr 29th 2019 at 8:32:14 AM

Yeah, but there were a LOT of people in the background. They went all out on this….

I kinda want Howard to get something in the future. He's a hard character to get right, but he's so fun when handled correctly.

Psychic attacks, threatening those around him who don’t have impenetrable armor, hacking tech to deactivate his suit, burying him, drowning him, spiritual attacks, etc.

I also feel like by sheer rule of drama a really, really powerful attack could probably just overwhelm his suit's absorbing.

I really, really wish that the Russos (or someone on the CGI team) would have included a 1969 Dodge Charger in the battlefield, since then we would know that Ghost Rider (and possibly Daisy herself) was there. They don't even need to show faces — just the car.

I recall in the films Black Panther’s kinetic absorption WAS overwhelmed by being tackled by a rhino and being punched into the ground by Thanos. Both times he had to stop and recover for a few minutes.

I guess that didn't occur to them. But we can maybe imagine that the Ao S were in one of the various ships. Who knows, maybe Ao S makes it to season 10 after all, then they can add the battle into the mix.

Speaking of the future...so, Cassie is now nearly an adult (sniff, they grow up so fast), Clint has a half-grown-up daughter and Captain Marvel has been around long enough that she can have a fanbase…

Edited by Swanpride on Apr 29th 2019 at 9:40:43 AM

Cassie being conspicuously old enough to be Stature now is totally going to be a plot point in Ant-Man 3. Here's hoping it segues into Young Avengers.

I wonder what the state of the government is now. The Avengers were clearly operating openly during the five year skip, but is that because Ross and others were snapped, or because half the world died and people stopped caring about the Accords? Or both?

Is Ross going to return to being a problem now that the unpleasantness is over?

I wonder why they cut out whoever Katherine Langford was playing.

I hope it wasn’t Kate Bishop and that Lana Condor gets the role.

I just realized...this scene in the beginning when Tony teaches Nebula how to play and she wins? That was most likely the first time ever she won and someone acknowledged her win.

(Honestly, everything they did with Nebula was eerily spot on! Their best work in the whole movie).

It was really sweet. I loved that scene. She finally won at something and had fun doing so. I guess you could also argue it's story-important for Tony because later he gets to show off his flicking skills with Ant-Man.

Edited by Tabs on Apr 29th 2019 at 10:05:35 AM

It serves multiple purposes which good scenes often do

@Shadao: Steve was always worthy, and it was the hunch based on said party game that made Thor believe he could wield it if he truly tried. Lets not forget Hela was worthy and could easily crush the weapon with her bare hands. And shes as far from Steve as possible.

Plus he never does anything that truly is "Whatever it takes". They still arent trading lives, heroes sacrificing lives of their own volition is what still goes down.

@Black Panther and threatening him: This relies too much on Reality Ensues to actually happen, but my suggestion would be to throw or shake him. Just because his armor is invincible does not mean he is. This is part of why planes aren't made out of the same stuff as the black box, in fact.

So, BP's kryptonite is the tilt-a-whirl.

Edited by Protagonist506 on Apr 29th 2019 at 10:33:13 AM

So, did you know Howard the Duck had a cameo in the movie? No fake◊, google it.

You're a page tale, but it is nonetheless appreciated.

At least I won't have to pay for another showing to confirm that .

Thanks for the picture anyway...because I keep trying to remember where I have seen the blue guy before. Any help there?

Re Hela being worthy: Odin only put the worthy spell on it at the start of Thor 1 and when Hela comes back she stops the hammer and then destroys it, but she doesn't actually wield it. So no, she wasn't worthy.

Edited by Swanpride on Apr 29th 2019 at 11:59:32 AM

Either that or she could bypass it in some manner.

I think it was one of Yondus' old bunch.

Edited by Forenperser on Apr 29th 2019 at 9:16:01 PM

But Yondus old bunch got killed...well, maybe just from the same planet.

Anyone else think Natasha deserved better? Like, there's a bit of Stuffed into the Fridge going on, and...I honestly agree with Vanity Fair's opinion:

"Her heroic sacrifice is in keeping with Black Widow’s history as a character who’s only ever really worked in service of someone else—helping Captain America confront his past; helping Bruce Banner through his Hulk issues; mediating a bunch of men’s competing philosophies in Civil War. Unlike Thor or Steve Rogers or Tony Stark, she’s never been at the center of a prolonged consideration about who she is and what her arc is leading toward. And yes, on top of all that, she was the only central woman in the franchise until Captain Marvel showed up—the only point of representation for all of the franchise’s female fans. (Apart from more minor characters like Peggy Carter and Gamora, whose roles in the cinematic universe are also defined by the men in their lives.)^note And this is regarding representation in the movies. It makes me personally wonder why the movies suck at female representation while the cancelled Netflix Marvel shows gave us richly complex female characters like Karen Page, Jessica Jones, Trish Walker, Joy Meachum, and Mariah Dillard.

"And so we come to Endgame, a movie that gives Black Widow control of the Avengers’ operations in Nick Fury’s stead for five whole years—offscreen, in a period of time the film completely skips over. Maybe that’s because the Black Widow stand-alone film will be set during these years; it probably can’t delve into the character’s future.

"But when combined with everything else Endgame does to Black Widow, the decision is frustrating. Her death comes partway through a three-hour film—meaning that the rest of the movie centers largely on all-male action scenes, save for a showy few seconds that unite Captain Marvel with the franchise’s remaining female characters. Had Black Widow been given more space, both in this film generally and in her final scene specifically, to utter even a few sentences about what being an Avenger has meant to her over the years, her death may have had more meaning; instead, her primary focus throughout her final film is that last mission. And although Endgame pauses to give characters like Steve Rogers, and Tony Stark, and even Hawkeye moments of emotional catharsis, it hardly extends the same courtesy to Natasha.

"As always, she’s forced to sprint along with the film’s otherwise feverish pace, which never gives her or her death room to breathe. Tony Stark gets a lengthy, well-attended funeral; Natasha doesn’t get so much as a eulogy. The only people who really meditate on her life and the meaning of her death are her male counterparts—and why not? Natasha’s story never really belonged to Natasha anyway."