Avengers Endgame spoiler thread

Stormbreaker is specifically super effective against the Infinity Gauntlet

Thanos wasn’t focused with the six gem blast v Stormbreaker, just reacting on equal parts instinct and cockiness - like how he ditched the armor when gathering the stones.

He was right about not needing it, right up until he ran into someone he would have to actually try against. Instead of snapping or warping out in the time that Thor was flying at him - or doing anything else he could have with the gems - he let his ego get ahead of him, shot off a half-assed beam, and wound up with an axe in his sternum.

Also that. Thor came prepped for the fight.

Edited by TheAirman on Jun 12th 2019 at 1:43:45 PM

Yeah, that bit where Stormbreaker overpowers the complete Infinity Guantlet is, uh. It does things to Thor's power ranking in the MCU.

Stormbreaker > The near-limitless power to reshuffle the entire universe at will, but not resurrect people.

Though the Russos have since tried to explain away that scene by saying that Thanos wasn't really trying or whatever.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jun 12th 2019 at 12:49:57 PM

If I had to place the heroes in Tier.

-SS Tier: Celestial Starlord.

-S Tier: Prime Thor, Prime Odin, Doctor Strange, Carol Danvers and Wanda.

-A Tier: Nano-suit Iron Man, Fat Thor, Worthy Cap, Hulkbuster, Hulk, Endgame Giant-Man, Vision.

-B Tier or super-human tier: Loki, Iron Man, Drax, adult Groot, spiderman, Valkyrie, Heimdall, Warrior three, Sif, Post-Civil war Black Panther, Civil War Giant-Man, War Machine.

-Super soldier Tier: Captain America, Bucky, Civil War Black Panther, Gamora, Nebula, average asgardian mook, Skurge, Carol (pre-awakening), Talos.

-Peak Human tier: Black Widow, Hawkeye, Falcon, Nick Fury, Star Lord.

Edited by JoLuRo075 on Jun 12th 2019 at 12:09:43 PM

It’s not even much of an asspull that Thanos wasn’t trying very hard

A gauntlet that can reshuffle reality and he shoots a laser?

Edit: what are we basing Celestial Star-Lord being above everyone else? I mean maybe one day but he was just a few days into learning

Edited by Bocaj on Jun 12th 2019 at 3:06:29 PM

And he also sacrificed his power to kill Ego.

I think Celestial Star-Lord's position on the tier list really boils down to whether you think Thor, Dr. Strange, or Captain Marvel could win a fistfight with Ego.

I'd put my money on them, but it's impossible to actually say one way or another.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jun 12th 2019 at 1:25:07 PM

It's hard to gauge, because the only thing we have to compare Ego to is Peter.

Yeah. Ego's in the uncomfortable position of a scaling loop.

The only yardstick by which we can measure Ego is Celestial Peter. And the only yardstick by which we can measure Celestial Peter is Ego. So we have a general idea that they're Totes Powerful, but no real point of comparison for how powerful.

Don't underestimate the power of space family and Fleetwood Mac.

Ego was temporarily overpowered by Mantis.

Power levels in general seem to be a bit all over the place, especially on the villain side and towards the top. Trying to place Ronan for example is a real pain. He beat down Drax, handled the power stone (briefly), survived a moon-busting gun and a starship crashing but noped out of fighting Carol. He seemed confident that he with a stone could take Thanos without any bit was he right? Like I say, a bit of a mess.

I figured the Power Stone was giving Ronan a passive durability buff when he tanked all those impacts. Other Kree have been shown to die from a single laser gun shot.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Jun 12th 2019 at 12:51:21 PM

I don't know. Ronan tried to withstand the force of the Power Gem but utterly failed and was nearly killed by it. He embedded it in a hammer so he could use it as a blunt instrument without being consumed and destroyed by its power. So the impression I got was that Ronan really is that tough, but not tough enough to withstand the Power Gem's force.

It's why he needed to actually slam the Gem down into Xandar to use it. Thanos, by contrast, was able to destroy Titan's moon from the ground by exerting the Power Gem. But Thanos was actually wearing the damn thing and controlling its power, while Ronan was forced to keep it at arm's length.

So I don't think the Power Gem was buffing him.

No, that was just bravado. That Thanos actually can weather not just one Gem but all six pretty firmly establishes that the Mad Titan was always way out of Ronan's league. Maybe if he actually could control the Infinity Gem he swiped, that'd be one thing. But wildly swinging that Power Hammer at Thanos probably would have ended very badly for him.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jun 12th 2019 at 2:28:50 AM

I do not see why Ronan can not beat Thanos using the gem.

With a blast, Thanos was able to knock Carol down. (And Carol was stronger than Thanos base)

Because Thanos can actually grip the Gem without turning into a writhing, screaming mess on the ground and dying horribly.

Ronan cannot. Ronan, similarly, cannot destroy a stellar object by simply clenching the Gem in his fist and willing the object destroyed.

In Infinity War and Endgame, Thanos wields the Power Gem to its full potential. Ronan, on the other hand, puts the Gem on a stick and just tries to hit things with it.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jun 12th 2019 at 2:33:33 AM

Because Ronan is a chump barely using well a power he can’t comprehend.

Plus Thanos getting one up on Carol was due the latter never expecting it. Thanos already has immense knowledge on the stones.

Basically, what it boils down to is:

Could Ronan, hypothetically, defeat Thanos by slamming his Power Gem sledgehammer into Thanos's face and making Thanos explode? Yes.

Would he be able to actually pull this off in a fight? AHAHAHAHAHAHA no. Thanos is out of Ronan's league.

If anything, the most likely outcome of that fight is Thanos taking the Power Gem from Ronan's hammer and obliterating him with it.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jun 12th 2019 at 2:35:41 AM

Thanos was also wielding a gauntlet specifically designed for using the Infinity Stones, while Ronan’s hammer was just a hammer, so perhaps the diminished range was due the limits of its construction.

Thanos CAN'T weather all six, that's specifically what the gauntlet is for. He WAS able to handle the power stone bare handed long enough to zop Carol but plugged it back in right after so we don't know how long he could potentially have held it.

Which is why I don't really hold with power levels as a concept. Physical power is far from the be all and end all of a villain's value to the plot. Ego is a fantastic villain who happened to be incredibly powerful. Stane is the least powerful but most interesting Iron Man baddie even now, for me.

And why does Ronan need skill?

He just has to make his hammer touch the ground and he wins.

Thank God this isn't shonen.

Because battles are never that simplistic.

In the same guardians it was said that if Ronan's hammer touched the ground, it would be the end. So yes, if it is so simple.

Unless Thanos knows how to dance, he's lost.

Edited by JoLuRo075 on Jun 12th 2019 at 1:48:11 AM

So Thanos prevents it from touching the ground.

Its not exactly hard.

The other thing about scaling Peter with Ego is that Ego had a vested interest in not killing Peter but Peter was probably trying his hardest to kill Ego