She-Ra and the Princesses of Power

Catra and Glimmer were absolutely set up as parralels. Glimmer's entire arc in season 4 was her starting to go down the same path Catra did in season 3, right up to nearly doing exactly what Catra nearly did at the end of their respective seasons, only Glimmer's actions ended up having worse consequences since it brought Prime and his forces to Etheria.

There's a reason why ND chose to have Glimmer and Catra both end up on Prime's ship and have them bond. There's a reason why Glimmer is the first of the heroes aside from Adora to warm up to her once she redeems herself. Because she sees so much of herself in Catra.

Not really, the argument was people accepted main couples and the counter was examples of main couples that had similar problems.

I think the argument itself was pretty bad because it is a rather bold assumption that everyone everywhere was fine with main couples especially depending on the genre and how old it is some things certainly didn't age well in recent years.

I would say both their actions got the attention of Prime. Catra's was the equivalent of an letter/email invitation and Glimmer's was opening the front door and rolling out the carpet.

Edited by Darthwyn on Jun 1st 2023 at 2:03:24 PM

...that's not what I argued though? I said we as an audience are meant to perceive Adora and Catra's relationship as working out. There's no room to delve into the how of it. You don't need every single minute detail crammed into it.

I also didn't argue that and I'm baffled why my words are being twisted so badly. Yes, some endgame couples get bile for bad writing, but Catra and Adora get bile because of concern trolling nonsense that has been run into the ground a million times by now.

The claim was "every other main couple" gets criticized, when it's not true. Most shows don't get that kind of negativity or backlash.

The only two examples given are series that had bad writing in the first place. This is all strawman nonsense.

Edited by Diana1969 on Jun 1st 2023 at 1:50:16 PM

Yeah perceiving the relationship working out probably would work back when the love interest was dropped in with little concern if how much screen time the two had but I don't think the "it just works, stop asking questions" logic is going to fly anymore for the relationships in a series.

Yeah, I don't buy the idea of lumping a bunch of people because they disagreed on something as trolls or strawmen feels disingenuous and feels like a way to just ignore the points made by sweeping them aside rather than having an actual conversation about it.

That's such a blatant strawman that I can't take it seriously.

The points have little merit. There's nothing to discuss beyond saying they're wrong and, frankly, ridiculous to even entertain as serious critique.

What is the point here? Why rehash the same tired, bad faith arguments over and over again about the relationship?

Edited by Diana1969 on Jun 1st 2023 at 2:51:59 PM

You do know you don't have to engage everytime the conversation comes up right?

Clearly for some people it is a major sticking point with them on the level of Ironwood in RWBY, relationships in Naruto, Starco/the ending in Star vs, or any other divisive topic in a completed series.

People should be able to have a conversation without anyone resorting to claiming someone is a troll or strawman because it feels like people jump to that to logic without actually really thinking about it.

Edited by Darthwyn on Jun 1st 2023 at 4:01:43 AM

Is there literally anything else about the series to discuss that isn't Catradora, then?

> I would say both their actions got the attention of Prime. Catra's was the equivalent of an letter/email invitation and Glimmer's was opening the front door and rolling out the carpet.

meanwhile Hordak has been on prime's ignore list for years,despite Hordak persistence

Edited by Ultimatum on Jun 1st 2023 at 9:09:27 AM

...Entrapta's hair is cool?

Unless you meant on a shipping note, in which case, Entrapta and Catra is my obligatory rare pair for SPOP, because I have the urge to have a fringe ship for nearly every work I engage with.

fringe ships eh?

there's not enough talk about seahawk's ships!

or Scorpia's ships

Seahawk x Arson is the real OTP

counterpoint Swiftwing.

Did somebody say… Swiftwind!

its swiftwing now

cos I said so

New Topic: How much I hated Entrapta in the beginning and am still kinda ambivalent to her now?

Like she just switched sides for better funding, even watching with glee as her friends were attacked by the weapons she made. The other princesses were right, she didn't give a shit about anyone except tech, until she gave a nonsensical weeping-woo about she just wants to use tech to help everyone.

After that, though, she at least got on track but golly did I want somebody to hold a murderous grudge against her because the OC that exists only in my head did!

> even watching with glee as her friends were attacked by the weapons she made

hey field data is still field data!

Though I’m not fond of the way Entrapta was written, taking the dislike here to the level of “murderous” feels too far.

are you still mad her?

Edited by Ultimatum on Jun 2nd 2023 at 5:00:39 PM

That's the part where I'm talking about, where the other Princesses lay it all out what the fuck is wrong with her. Then she makes her weepy-woo that I didn't buy at the time but after that seems to make a turn around. Mind you, part of me felt her reformation was a bit forced and all her bad habits were just dropped without any more struggle or simply made unproblematic but oh well whatever.

I wouldn't have minded if not all of the princesses were good, upstanding paragons and had some morally dubious extremists with a "Literally anything I do against the Horde is morally justified" mentality.

you're still mad at her,got it.

Entrapta thought her friends abandoned her in the Horde and left her to die. Catra manipulated her and then Hordak treated her with genuine kindness and respect, something the other princesses never did. Before she was captured by the Horde Entrapta was treated like an annoyance you had to tolerate at best and an active nuisance most of the rest of the time. It's not really surprising she switched sides and she even has a breakdown on Beast Island thinking she's nothing but a tool for others and deserves to be alone.

There's just one inconsistency with her behavior to me; in earlier seasons Entrapta was somewhat oblivious, but on Beast Island it was implied she did understand how poorly most people thought of her, she was just suppressing those thoughts and feelings. That obliviousness is taken up to eleven later to try to justify Entrapta not understanding the other Princesses are furious with her and her behavior. It's a tad silly.

Entrapta definitely walks the walk in making up for her actions, though. She's the reason rescuing Glimmer and Catra was at all possible.

Edited by PhiSat on Jun 2nd 2023 at 12:04:24 PM

> Entrapta definitely walks the walk in making up for her actions, though. She's the reason rescuing Glimmer and Catra was at all possible.

after quality time with Darla

Entrapta's situation is a combination of the belief her friends left her behind combined with her focus on tech. Further escalated when she worked with Hordak becoming lab partners.

Beast Island kind of felt like her just going deeper into tech and forgoing social after she was banished.

And if nothing else, I doubt any show is 100% without problematic elements (by design or not).

I mean I didn't leave Dragon Ball Z with say a strong hate for Vegeta or how his character was resolved. It would be a waste to get worked up over Entrapta and Catra. Even iffy without a good argument.

What do you know, a critical analysis of her character arc that doesn't throw ableism accusations at the people she interacts with. You love to see it.

Pretty much hits the nail on the head.

Edit: Wasn't her being autistic not made canon when the writers acknowledged it?

Edited by badtothebaritone on Jun 2nd 2023 at 4:06:16 AM