Robert Rodriguez and James Cameron's Alita: Battle Angel

Though it should be noted that it made almost 80% of its gross outside of the US, which is pretty rare from what I've seen. If he studios look at the domestic numbers first, that could be a handicap…

Pacific Rim did something like 25% of its revenue domestic against Alita's 21% or so.

Well the Captain Marvel hate is still going strong.

Edited by ManOfSin on Aug 6th 2019 at 5:58:35 AM

The correct response.

That is pretty wholesome.

That has to be the most disturbing gif I've seen today

Some people have too much free time I guess.

Anyway, Cinema Wins did an episode on Alita.

I was kinda surprised to find out CW had no affiliation whatsoever with Cinema Sins…

I wasn't. But then, I have a very low opinion of Cinema Sins.

I find it telling it’s Alita fans telling the poster to knock it off.

I don't get the CM/Alita rivalry.

It's not like Brie Larson and Rosa Salazar are enemies irl.

People needed something to have as an alternative.

Alita talks about class differences, which is a lot more universal than the feminist tone that Captain Marvel had that drove people nuts. Keep in mind I like both movies, but it really is apples and oranges given their protagonists tackle different societal themes.

No, it's because sexist assholes are dumb. Apparently you can't have two movies starring powerful women without one tearing the other down.

Basically, Captain Marvel is perceived as being the token female film in the MCU that's pushing an agenda. It really isn't, but people have taken stuff Brie Larson have said, taken it out of context and twisted it beyond recognition to make it look like she said that Captain Marvel wasn't a film for men - something she never did.

Alita came out around the same time and was an action movie starring an Action Girl but without a perceived agenda. "Not SJW" and that kind of shit. So, the anti-SJW crowd rallied around Alita as a way of going "see, we're not sexist, we like this movie that stars a badass girl - but that Carol Danvers is just SJW propaganda". It's basically "I'm not racist, I have black friends".

Edited by GoldenKaos on Aug 7th 2019 at 9:47:34 AM

Its idiotic and funny because Alita is a Person of Color fighting against the white elites for societal justice.

:)

Eh?

Social Justice, when it’s mocked online tends to be a metaphor for feminism. Which is the point of Captain Marvel (how women deal with men, how women support other women, and women taking their own initiative whether or not a man supports them, which is part of most moderate feminist theories, that women should be equal to men and be allowed independence from them in motivation and action). Since feminism is a bit of a dirty word, whether it’s motivated by pure misogyny or people associating feminist thinking with the most extreme schools of feminism, anything feminist is bad. And thus many annoying Youtube personalities were born.

Alita is not a feminist movie since it’s focused on class. The masses struggle in unison against the 1% hoarding wealth and power for the sake of such, and Alita, a wide eyed idealist with a sense of justice, realizes that’s an issue, and hopefully if a sequel gets made, actively tries to do something about it. Maybe I’m wrong, but I don’t see many people defending the rich in this day and age.

Or maybe I’m overthinking this and like the guy from Honest Trailers suggested, we would have been better off if James Cameron instead made a film adaptation of JoJo's Bizarre Adventure.

I've seen some also point out that Alita appealed to mysogynists because she was largely motivated by her love and devotion for a man. Which is kinda true, but then she also spends the entire movie fighting against male authority figures − which includes going against the wishes of her own father − so that analysis is a bit half-assed…

Re: Alita, a wide eyed idealist...

I see what you did there.

It's class warfare themes don't invalidate the central themes of Alita self-actualizing. The whole major theme is that Alita is a warrior rather than a daughter-figure for Ido, a girlfriend figure for her boyfriend, or more.

Part of what was a strangely interpreted scene is the fact that Alita doesn't feel comfortable in her childlike tween body but wants the body of a woman soldier.

A metaphor for being treated as an adult and soldier.

It's a very strongly feminist movie, IMHO.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Aug 7th 2019 at 1:38:09 AM

I tend to point out that one person thought Taxi Driver was telling him to try and assassinate Ronald Regan for Jodie Foster. People latch on to movies as rallying cries which may have little to do with the movie itself.

I can kind of understand how Captain Marvel is more overt in being a feminist story (supported by both elements in the movie and behind the scenes conversations) whereas Alita is more subversive and metaphorical. I personally preferred Alita over Captain Marvel (more engaging lead character, much better action scenes, damn near godlike cinematography) but if I don't like a movie I just stop talking about it after a week or so.

The guy of taxi driver is just dumb.

It is incredible that people watch such films and do not realize that the protagonist is not supposed to be an example to follow.

Just saw an ad on Facebook for a new series on Amazon Prime called Undone which uses rotoscoped animation and motion capture.

Looks like mo-cap roles are gonna be Salazar's thing.

Alita: Battle Angel 2 Talks Are Underway, Would Utilize Avatar 2 Tech and ‘All Is Well’

It was a long shot, but if anyone can throw 200 million at a passion project James Cameron can get it done. The tech is also significantly more refined, which generally translates to cheaper production.

Alita: Battle Angel 2 & 3 Seemingly Confirmed By James Cameron

Another more bigger confirmation.