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Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#751: Sep 12th 2018 at 8:36:04 AM

[up]The talks went nowhere because there's no possible ground for agreement. The independence movement wants independence, and Madrid is not letting that happen.

Ominae Since: Jul, 2010
Ominae Since: Jul, 2010
#753: Feb 10th 2019 at 6:44:12 PM

News from AFP on the trial:

As 12 Catalan separatist leaders prepare to go on trial in Madrid, Spain has been forced to defend the independence and impartiality of its courts.

Catalan separatists have dismissed the high-profile trial which begins Tuesday at Spain's Supreme Court as a "farce" whose outcome is already pre-determined.

Not so, says the government, which has published a thick file to show Spain's justice system is just as fair as its European counterparts, citing rankings by the European Commission, the European Court of Human Rights and Transparency International.

Supreme Court President Carlos Lesmes points out that if the justice system really was not independent, the king's brother-in-law would not be in jail for corruption, nor would a court ruling have sparked a no-confidence motion that brought down the conservative government in June.

"I think this will be the most important trial we've had in democracy," he told reporters before the start of the trial.

"It's a challenge because there's been a big smear campaign of Spain's judiciary."

- State on trial? -

Spain has had a long-standing public perception that its judiciary is biased.

In the EU's 2018 "Justice Scoreboard", Spain came sixth to last among 28 member states for public perception of the independence of judges and courts, behind Poland and Hungary.

Despite repeated denials, the conservative government in power at the time of Catalonia's attempt to break from Spain in October 2017 and the Socialists that took power in June have each been accused of exerting pressure on judges.

"It is the state which will end up in the dock," one of the main defendants on trial, former Catalan vice president Oriol Junqueras, predicted from pre-trial detention.

Junqueras and 11 others are on trial for their role in the attempt to break from Spain.

Separatists call them "political prisoners" who are suffering oppression of the kind experienced in Spain during Francisco Franco's 1939-75 dictatorship.

- 'Unacceptable interference' -

In a ruling, Spain's Supreme Court said the group were not on trial for their ideas.

The majority of the defendants were "political leaders who were members of the government of an autonomous region and therefore the highest representatives of the (Spanish) state in Catalonia", it said.

The government has also had to defend itself from accusations that it put pressure on judges during the criminal investigation phase.

Public prosecutors accuse nine of the 12 of rebellion, which implies the use of violence — a key charge which has divided Spanish legal experts.

But the state attorney decided in November to only accuse them of the lesser crime of sedition.

This has led conservative opposition parties, which take a hard line against Catalan separatism, to accuse the government of "unacceptable interference" in the case.

They suspect the move was part of a bid by Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez's minority government to win the much-needed support in parliament of Catalan separatist parties for its 2019 budget.

Justice Minister Dolores Delgado, though, said Spain's new state attorney took the decision "without the government imposing anything".

- European courts -

In November, a conservative senator, Ignacio Cosido, also contributed to perception that the judiciary is biased.

On Whats App, he welcomed the promotion of Manuel Marchena — a judge seen as close to the conservatives who will be presiding at the separatists' trial — at the head of the Supreme Court.

Cosido said it would allow the conservatives to "control" the court "behind the scenes."

After the controversy this generated, Marchena gave up the promotion.

Courts in Belgium, Germany and Switzerland have also contributed to doubts about Spain's legal system by refusing to extradite separatists who had escaped after the declaration of independence.

A German court for instance last year refused to send former Catalan leader Carles Puigdemont back to Spain on rebellion charges.

A Belgian court meanwhile has agreed to consider a civil lawsuit filed by Puigdemont's lawyers against Supreme Court judge Pablo Llarena, accusing him of impartiality in the case against the Catalan separatist leaders.

Spain has not publicly criticised these decisions.

"Our best communication campaign will be the trial," said Lesmes.

Ominae Since: Jul, 2010
#754: May 7th 2019 at 7:35:45 PM

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48178508

Puigdemont is legally allowed to enter into EU elections.

Ominae Since: Jul, 2010
Ominae Since: Jul, 2010
#756: Oct 13th 2019 at 9:04:40 PM

A ruling is going to be scheduled:

From AFP:

Spain's Supreme Court is expected to issue a verdict Monday in the controversial case of 12 Catalan leaders over their role in a failed 2017 independence bid that sparked the country's worst political crisis in decades.

Tension has been mounting steadily ahead of the ruling with police sending reinforcements to Catalonia where separatists have pledged a mass response of civil disobedience, calling for rallies, roadblocks and a general strike.

The 12 defendants, most of them members of the former Catalan government, are facing long prison terms for their role in the banned October 1 referendum and the short-lived independence declaration that followed it.

Following a high-profile trial which ended in June, judges at Spain's highest court will issue their decision on charges ranging from rebellion and sedition to disobedience and misappropriation of funds.

Former Catalan vice president Oriol Junqueras is the main defendant after his boss, Carles Puigdemont, fled to Belgium to avoid prosecution.

The government is hoping the long-awaited ruling will allow it to turn the page on the crisis in this wealthy northeastern region where support for independence has been gaining momentum over the past decade.

But the separatist movement is hoping for just the opposite: that the anticipated guilty verdicts will unite their divided ranks and bring supporters onto the streets.

- Activists gear up to protest -

Activists from the region's two biggest grassroots pro-independence groups, the Catalan National Assembly (ANC) and Omnium Cultural, have urged followers to rally on the evening of the verdict.

And in the following days, demonstrators will march from five towns towards Barcelona where they will congregate on Friday, when a general strike has been called.

Activists from the radical CDR (Committees for the Defence of the Republic), have also promised "surprises". On Sunday they briefly occupied the main train station in Barcelona before cutting traffic on a main avenue of the city.

Anti-riot police have been discreetly deployed to Catalonia, but the interior ministry has refused to give numbers.

For many, the situation has brought back memories of tensions in the street in the run-up to the October 1 referendum which was marred by police violence, and ahead of the short-lived independence declaration of October 27.

In recent weeks, Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez has made it clear that his government will not tolerate any violence, warning he will not hesitate to renew a suspension of Catalan autonomy as happened two years ago.

The situation is worrying the main Catalan business lobby which said although the verdict would have a "significant emotional impact", it was important the response avoided disrupting "business activity or social cohesion".

- Sedition not rebellion -

The court is widely reported in the media to have chosen to sentence them for sedition and not rebellion, which carries a far heavier sentence.

But after those leaks, the president of the court, Manuel Marchena, warned on Saturday that no decision is final until it has been signed by all seven judges. The signature is expected on Monday or Tuesday at the latest.

By definition, rebellion is "rising up in a violent and public manner" to, among other things, "declare independence for part of the (Spanish) territory".

Sedition, however, is "rising up publicly and in turbulent fashion" to "prevent by force or in an illegal way" the law from being applied, or the application of an administrative or legal decision.

The trial comes just weeks before Spain heads to the polls for its fourth election in as many years, putting the Catalan question once more at the centre of the political debate.

Although Sanchez's government is hoping the trial's end might give fresh impetus to dialogue, Junqueras' leftwing ERC party has said it would not be possible without an "amnesty" for "political prisoners and those in exile".

Ominae Since: Jul, 2010
#757: Oct 14th 2019 at 5:53:07 AM

Well, as expected. There's a guilty verdict.

And protests for supporting the Catalan leaders arrested are increasing. At least that's what I read from BBC a while ago on my phone app.

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#758: Oct 14th 2019 at 1:07:03 PM

For the record, last week, Franco's grandson was deemed innocent of running over and pulling a gun on Guardia Civil agents. And a bunch of young men and women from a Navarra town, after getting into a bar fight with out of duty Guardia Civil agents, have spent 1000 days in jail waiting for a veredict, and they ended getting up to 9 years in jail.

Strasburg will pull some ears, but there's plenty of people losing years of their life.

Ominae Since: Jul, 2010
#759: Oct 14th 2019 at 4:56:43 PM

Protests happened outside the airport in Barcelona.

Some flights are forced to be canned.

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#760: Oct 15th 2019 at 3:21:50 AM

And a protestor lost an eye to a rubber ball impact.

Ominae Since: Jul, 2010
#761: Oct 16th 2019 at 5:53:12 PM

Ladies and gentlemen.

Barcelona is partially on fire.

RainehDaze Figure of Hourai from Scotland (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: Serial head-patter
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#762: Oct 16th 2019 at 6:41:21 PM

Well, it was only a matter of time.

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Ominae Since: Jul, 2010
#763: Oct 27th 2019 at 7:23:21 PM

Especially since the protests are escalating, I don't see it ending soon.

Ominae Since: Jul, 2010
#764: Nov 4th 2019 at 6:49:38 PM

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50297454

The Spanish Royals are on a charm offensive, even though protests are getting more common there and Princess Leonor is in front row.

Ominae Since: Jul, 2010
#765: Jan 2nd 2020 at 8:10:55 PM

More news from AFP:

A Belgian judge on Thursday suspended consideration of a Spanish warrant seeking the return of two Catalan separatist leaders to face trial, their lawyer said.

Exiled former Catalan regional president Carles Puigdemont and his health minister Toni Comin were elected members of the European Parliament in May last year.

The European Court of Justice (ECJ) ruled last month that they enjoy immunity from prosecution unless Spain requests this be removed and their fellow ME Ps agree.

On Thursday, Puigdemont's Belgian lawyer Simon Bekaert told AFP the European Arrest Warrant levelled against the men by the Spanish court should now be rejected.

Separately, Puigdemont's camp issued a triumphant statement.

"Today, the Belgian justice system has once again stopped the attempt to extradite president Puigdemont and councillor Comin because they recognise their immunity," it said.

On Twitter, Puigdemont declared: "Spain must act in the same way as Belgium has done and respect the law."

Puigdemont served as president of the Catalan region of Spain between January 2016 and October 2017, during which time he helped organise an independence referendum.

He fled Spain after attempting to declare independence on the strength of the result of the banned vote.

His latest arrest warrant was issued by Spanish Supreme Court judge Pablo Llarena shortly after his court convicted several other Catalan separatist leaders on similar charges.

Another Catalan pro-independence leader, Oriol Junqueras, was arrested in Spain and has been sentenced to 13 years in jail for sedition over his role in the referendum.

But he was also elected to the European Parliament while still in pre-trial detention in last May's EU-wide vote and appealed to the ECJ, leading to last month's immunity decision.

Puigdemont took the opportunity of the latest Belgian decision to demand Junqueras' release.

Another Catalan politician, former regional culture minister Luis Puig, is also in Belgium and is not an MEP. He is still facing possible extradition in the case.

The next Belgian hearing in the extradition case is on February 3 but the judge is expected to take note of the examining magistrate's decision to recognise Puigdemont and Comin's immunity.

In recent months, renewed protests have erupted in the region, with police clashing with Catalan crowds angered by the lengthy prison sentences imposed by the Madrid court.

Courts in Belgium, Germany and Scotland have so far refused to extradite Puigdemont and other senior Catalan politicians sought by Spain for their role in the 2017 crisis.

Ominae Since: Jul, 2010
#766: Oct 28th 2020 at 7:23:26 PM

https://apnews.com/article/police-spain-barcelona-2fc97ed44c9cf8d6ac62bcd71b2bcc20

Now this is interesting if there's some truth that Moscow was willing to back factions in Catalonian separatist groups willing to fight.

Caliu A coherent contradiction from the farthest shore Since: Oct, 2020
A coherent contradiction
#767: Oct 29th 2020 at 11:36:03 AM

It's very possible that Russia being Russia was willing to help a little bit -let's say, with the referedum web pages or inflamatory news- in order to destabilize other countries, as usual.

But what the Guardia Civil investigation claims- with the help of a judge- is beyond ridiculous. How could Russia be willing or able to send 10.000 soldiers to protect Catalonia in case of independence declaration?

To me, this stinks of headline bait: outrageous investigations with big words that in the end go nowhere, but in the meantime are used to attack politically and to intimidate people. It wouldn't be the first time.

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#768: Oct 29th 2020 at 12:05:56 PM

Ah, the Guardia Civil, naming this operation after a WWII battle where the blue division fought alongside the nazi versus the soviets...

Yeah, it is ridiculous. The Russian embassy at Spain made a declaration basically laughing at the bullshit of the statement.

Ominae Since: Jul, 2010
#769: Jun 17th 2021 at 6:50:11 AM

There's been protests in Spain against pardoning Catalonian separatists arrested as they're a threat to national unity/security (depends on who you ask isn't Catalonian). Madrid says that pardons are needed to maintain unity.

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#770: Jun 17th 2021 at 6:54:24 AM

A failure of a far-right spurred protest, down to having a guy paralleling the Qanon guy who cosplayed as a buffalo while assaulting the Capitol.

A single protest in Madrid by the way, rather than protests across Spain. And, same shit as always with the far right here, they'll protest against anything they don't spearhead.

Edited by Eriorguez on Jun 17th 2021 at 3:55:34 PM

Ominae Since: Jul, 2010
#771: Sep 25th 2021 at 4:57:06 AM

Carlos Pudigemont was arrested a few days ago in Italy. But last I heard, the police were ordered to uncuff him.

Proglottid Since: Mar, 2010
#772: Sep 25th 2021 at 5:54:42 AM

Goes without saying Sanchez will do everything in his power to keep Puidgemont from coming to Spain, if not pardon him on the spot. Anything less would lose him backers to remain President

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#773: Sep 25th 2021 at 5:56:11 AM

President?

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Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#774: Sep 25th 2021 at 7:30:28 AM

[up]Prime Minister. Tomato, tomahto.

Zarastro Since: Sep, 2010
#775: Sep 25th 2021 at 9:10:17 AM

Well, monarchy or republic in this case tongue


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