The Good, The Bad and The Spandex: Discussion Thread

Here's a new concept:

Sin Princes:

All kinds of system has error. Reality, if seen as a kind if system, is no exception. A long time ago, an anomaly appeared in reality. It was sentient. It wanted to know more of the multiverse, and the reality itself. But, it saw countless atrocities commited by various civilizations. They fell and a new one rised again. The anomaly took interest, and took the concept of sin to himself. Sin was the reason that countless races, universes died. When it emodied the sin itself, it took form of the Sin Lord and it formed a new reality. Soon after, it birthed various aspects of himself, called Sin Princes. After this, Sin Lord had only one wish: to see the whole reality crumble because of the sin. Curiosity turned to sadism.

Who are the Sin Princes? Where are they from? Why would they be interested in Earth? How they came to Earth? What do they usually do?

Well, to explain, there is an alternate reality. It's not an alternate universe, dimension, timeline... Something else. A place beyond time. It is possible for dimensions travelers to get in there but...

1. It is inadvisable, since Sin Princes aren't exactly the nicest people in the reality, and Sin Lord himself is a god that can't be defeated (he won't appear in-game, nor he will affect the game directly).

2. The process of getting there is complicated.

Sin Princes are children of Sin Lord. Sin Lord is a manifestation of humanity's sins. A god-like entity. The interesting thing about him (or her), however, it's that he used to be a Sin Prince itself. The title of Sin Lord changes between cycles. Sin Lord's ideal multiverse would be cosmic horror/dystopia/post-apocalypse,so he sends his sons and daughters to places where it's too peaceful or 'bright'. Like Chaos Gods from Warhammer, he needs sins to feed off from.

Sin Princes themselves represent one or two sins of intelligent beings. When their father sends them to various dimensions/universes to screw them up royally, they take it as a trial to become a next Sin Lord, since Sin Lord chooses his successor based on how they doomed certain universes and dimensions. So, Sin Princes have to get creative and have to make the process of destruction fun and interesting for the Sin Lord. Just straight up conquering the world is too generic. The world ravaged by a war between aliens and radioactive monsters is interesting.

Currently, there are three Sin Princes in this Earth: Azur, Michael (reads like archangel Mikael) and Lerangé. This universe... bothers Sin Lord, to say the least, so he plans on sending more of his children to f*** up Easton and this universe.

edited 3rd Apr '17 2:52:46 AM by kaalban

The Shadow comes by to say, "Hi, I heard you're the manifestation of being an asshole. You and I, we have so much in common, we should be friends and you should totally ignore that dagger I put in your back. I'm sorry, it's a compulsive habit, I have a problem."

While I like the basic concept, we must make it fit in with established game concepts such as the Titans of Myth and the Virtues.

Edited post 2164 to reference that Dynamo Lass is indeed there.

I'm terribly sorry, but I can't find Titans of Myth and Virtues in Sign-Up thread. Do they have different names, or...?

They're part of the background of several characters; Labyrinth is a Virtue, while certain characters such as Warcrime are avatars of the Narrative Titans.

I could swear there was a post somewhere fully describing the Titans lore. GOA, could you please find it or, failing that, provide a summary?

The Virtues are Mistfader's idea, I would like him to explain it too if he wants to.

Summary: Ohgodohgodohgod

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Maybe Sin Lord is a Main Lead for the Shadow. He is immortal, so he can't be a lesser being. Although, Shadow seems to be more of a Chronic Backstabbing Disorder incarnate, rather than the (maybe a bit quirky) Chaos Gods of this verse that I am planning. For more clarification, Sin Princes and even the Sin Lord itself aren't all serious doom and gloom characters. They have their own quirks and eccentricities. Like Aku from Samurai Jack.

I'm not sure how the cyclical nature of Sin Princes can be implemented, though. To be more specific, the cycle ends when one of the Sin Princes stands triumphant among others. Then, previous Sin Lord's powers transfer to the new Sin Lord.

Or maybe just make them this verse's equivalent of demons. That might solve problem (but I don't like this idea, since it's too generic).

Or maybe Sin Lord is an anomaly of reality that took form of a concept? Something that could not be foreseen by any being. That may explain how the Sin Lord and his children can be unaffacted by pretty much anything. I prefer this idea myself, bu I am fully willing to throw away this idea if there is a need for that.

Are there any other problems with this concept? Or any suggestions?

EDIT: I just saw that the Shadow has no Leads. Nvm. Scratching the first idea.

edited 2nd Apr '17 1:52:10 AM by kaalban

Rine Anok is gonna join TALOS. While his copies joined the Shield of Humanity.

...Whoops. Oh well. Conflict character development blah blah blah...

That aside, the new Rine's Headquarters will begin development after Roken's defeat. Its purpose is mainly for the Hardlite copies, but it will also double as a Dimensional Guard headquarters.

It will also be in space, but that isn't important.

All members that join are part-time, with the only full members being Rine and his copies. And maybe Elizabeth and Valan if they truly have no lives.

So, basically, Rine will stay in the planet's orbit, while he sends his copies out to make dimensions not go boom.

Good grief, that took like 4 drafts. Why was that so difficult to explain.

edited 2nd Apr '17 3:34:50 AM by Enirboreh

Well then, Elizabeth will go back to searching Joseph after the Parasite arc, and maybe get involved with the Shield of Humanity.

EDIT: I can do that. Keeping 'the anomaly of reality taken form' origin for these entities if there's no problem. I think it's more original than straight up being demons. Also, I am planning to introduce more characters that are related to Sin Princes (though they aren't going to be used yet).

edited 2nd Apr '17 7:12:21 AM by kaalban

About the Narrative Titans, I should point out that, while they shaped the universe, not all of Creation is theirs; in particular extraplanar creatures might be totally unrelated to them.

As for the Sins and Virtues, while these are (I believe) christian concepts, I suspect they are based on myths- in particular, many Babylonian deities were reinvented as demons in the dark ages (understandable as they were opponents of the Jewish faith from the beginning.)

In any case, both gods and demons are real in this setting though there is no single origin for all of them; so yes I think we can fit the Sin Lords in, just make sure you don't have them conflict with a Virtue or a God of the Modern Age (you can discuss these in a case by case basis.)

Just be careful not to get caught in the void.

Oh, don't worry.

I just realised, Copy 3 and 4 are at the train station too. I completely forgot. Whoops.

Ah well, doesn't matter. They're probably giving Roken and the Shield the silent treatment. Roken doesn't particularly care for Rine and his copies either, unless they tick him off.

After Reginald is killed, the Parasites will turn on Roken, and tear out his tech.

Since that's gonna happen soon, I better describe as best I can about Roken's corrupted form.

He will look like a shapeless black mass, like a cloud, with a face that looks like my profile image. He will have two eerily long arms, with five long claws on each hand. He won't have any noticeable legs, and will move very fluidly and quickly, occasionally defying the laws of gravity. Kind of like Rine's gas form.

If you do want to connect it o the Shadow or the Conqueror or both or more.... you can always say the Sin Lords are one of their creations.

Because they do make things and send them out into the world to play their little dramas.

I didn't decide to do that, since some Sin Princes might not fit into any Titan's personalities (though I may be wrong). I just don't want to complicate things too much, so I decided to do as Sijo said: avoid interaction with Virtues, Gods of Modern Age, Titans and etc.

edited 2nd Apr '17 8:42:05 AM by kaalban

Remember there is a Multiverse; you can say that they were deities from their own respective universe.

For the record, Simon's current Adaptation -"Holy Aura"- is invisible, but can be felt by those who touch him as an unnatural sensation of peacefulness (those with mental or mystic senses might feel it a range.)

The aura cancels "evil" magic or emotions. Thus it protects Simon -and those he touches- from curses, mental attacks that cause Fear or Anger, etc. It will also cause physical damage to unholy creatures such as demons or vampires.

The catch is that those affected by the aura will have a tendency to be anti-violence, even if lives are in danger! This isn't very strong and can be shaken off easily... but poor Simon, who will have to wear the damn thing for hours, will have to constantly struggle to fight now. Unless he gets hit with a different environment and switches to something else first.

edited 2nd Apr '17 10:34:37 AM by Sijo

Re: Titans: Their component souls are actually meant to be able to "think outside the box" to their parent entity. The further down you from the heirarchy, the weaker the specimen but the more independence they have.

@kaalban: If, if, IF, you wanted to continue to pursue the line of thinking of connecting the Vice Lords to the Narrative Titans, I would suggest the following:

• Make it the product of one of the Main Cast or even Supporting Cast or perhaps even the work of a whole lotta Extras working in tandem.
• You could make it the product of a collaboration. Titans are known to pool their resources together, less their magical power, which they normally have no limit too, and more their way of thinking.
• Besides the Shadow, there are other villainous Titans. There is the Conqueror, who is the Flame, the Archnemesis, the Hell. There is the Monster, titan of brutality, the Asura, titan against restraint, and the Nightmare, a titan I haven't mentioned much, titan of emotions. Hell, the King, the Light, the Hero, is a titan of pride and may have thrown his lot in with such a project.

But, but, BUT-

You could scratch any connection to the Titans. It doesn't have to be connected to them. Fuck, when the Hero conceived the universe, he made it so it was beyond his control. The Titans were overthrown by heroes of this universe, being separate from themselves. The Virtues, the Modern Gods, demons, devil, angels, fairies, they do NOT exist at the whims of the Titans, nor do they even have to count themselves as lesser to them, although they'd have some pretty big shoes to fill.

So, um... yeah.

CURRENTLY ONGOING EVENTS

• Mongrel is taking The Traveler, Hazel, and Dynamo Lass to TALOS HQ to deal with the current Dimensional Parasite invasion.
• The Queen of air and Darkness is stalking Voron.
• The Bookeeper sent an imp to recover his stolen book (aka as the demon Possessing Papyrus)
• Dusk/Dawn is still on the loose.
• So is Heartstopper.
• The Crusader, Rine's clones, Gatewatcher and Roken are fighting the giant snake parasite at the Train station.
• Papyrus, Mysty and Voron just met the original Rine.

Waiting on the Wings: The Deck of Spades' big casino robbery.

I believe that's it? If I left anything out, let me know ASAP!

edited 2nd Apr '17 9:12:23 PM by Sijo

I don't got a lot of people for the Casino Robbery.

I'm fairly certain that Papyrus, Misty and Voron met original Rine, not Roken.

Also, about the fight with giant Parasite, it's Rine Copies and Roken.

Besides that, I think it's spot on.

edited 2nd Apr '17 8:17:44 PM by kaalban

Silence: that's why its "on the wings".

kaalban: Thanks!

I've decided that there won't be any connection between Titans and Sin Lord.

Also, updated the Sin Princes concept. Basically, I added the origin of the first Sin Lord and the names of two more Sin Princes, besides Azur, who are in Earth.

edited 3rd Apr '17 2:58:50 AM by kaalban

Good to see the Sin-Lords are basically sorted. It's a really interesting concept.

So, on the subject of the Dimensional Guard, how do they get new members? Or shall it stick to a small group rather than an Avengers scale army?