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MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
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#5151: Jan 7th 2016 at 5:06:30 PM

Vader finding out and trying to keep it a secret and Sidious finding out later anyway, and Vader pretending to be surprised works, I think. I mean, you could read the scene in Empire as Vader basically going into shock and being speechless he's so surprised by the news. The scene in Empire seems very ambiguous, to me. It's not easy to get in Vader's head.

The original reading of the scene before Lucas altered it was:

Emperor: We have a new enemy, Luke Skywalker.

Darth Vader: He's just a boy.

"You can't change the world without getting your hands dirty."
HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#5152: Jan 7th 2016 at 5:08:02 PM

In Legends at least it was strongly implied Palpatine was only paying lip service to the whole "having apprentices" thing - what he really wanted was to live forever, either through cloning or actually bodyjacking his FAH YOUNGAH AND MOAH POWAHFUL pupils.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#5153: Jan 7th 2016 at 5:09:26 PM

Weird, considering Plagueis supposedly taught him everything he knew.

Seems like the bodysnatching would be a bit unnecessary.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#5154: Jan 7th 2016 at 5:10:56 PM

Jokes on Vader, Palpatine had secretly trained Mara Jade in secret

And she'll always be canon and also not dead in my heart.

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MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
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#5155: Jan 7th 2016 at 5:11:19 PM

There's also the fact that Palpatine is really old already and didn't have an heir unless Darth Vader was his heir.

But if Darth Vader needed to kill him instead of waiting for him to die then presumably Palpatine couldn't die from natural causes.

[up] Mara Jade? More like Mary Jane, am I right, guys?

edited 7th Jan '16 5:12:09 PM by MadSkillz

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#5156: Jan 7th 2016 at 5:12:21 PM

I thought Vader knew about the Emperor's Hands.

Also, the Vader comics have a thing where Sidious already has Vader's replacements lined up.

pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
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#5157: Jan 7th 2016 at 5:14:03 PM

Palpatine didn't have an heir because he intended to rule the galaxy himself forever.

Which sounds to me like it would get pretty darn boring after a while...

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#5158: Jan 7th 2016 at 5:15:35 PM

Mary Jane, stop going to the dark side

Dealing with mephistos and palpatines geez

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
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#5159: Jan 7th 2016 at 5:18:15 PM

[up] It looks like she'll be working with Tony Stark soon, if that helps.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#5161: Jan 7th 2016 at 5:20:09 PM

Baby steps

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#5163: Jan 7th 2016 at 5:20:55 PM

Really?

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
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#5164: Jan 7th 2016 at 5:23:14 PM

I mean, he made her the offer after he and Doctor Doom trashed her new club in a fight with Madame Masque.

So. Generosity.

She hit Madame Masque with a microphone. Tony needs people like that.

edited 7th Jan '16 5:23:50 PM by KarkatTheDalek

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#5165: Jan 7th 2016 at 5:23:43 PM

...Bocaj, which is worse, Satan? Or a billionaire?

Hint, one of them is the source of all evil in our world.

And the other one is Satan.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#5166: Jan 7th 2016 at 5:25:19 PM

Pretty sure satan is worse because we can't punch him in the face?

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
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#5167: Jan 7th 2016 at 5:25:38 PM

Eh, Tony's worst days seem to be behind him. I think.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#5168: Jan 7th 2016 at 5:26:30 PM

Unless we're talking Mr. Satan in which case we CAN punch him in the face.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#5169: Jan 7th 2016 at 5:27:36 PM

You can punch Satan in the face of you live in the Marvel universe.

Just call up Dr. Strange or Ghost Rider.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#5170: Jan 7th 2016 at 5:28:44 PM

I have less access to sorcerors supreme than I have to billionaires

And I don't deal with nic cages.

edited 7th Jan '16 5:29:04 PM by Bocaj

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higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#5171: Jan 7th 2016 at 5:34:00 PM

I can't believe Mary Jane was murdered by Jacen Solo.

edited 7th Jan '16 5:35:04 PM by higherbrainpattern

Catbert Since: Jan, 2012
#5172: Jan 7th 2016 at 5:36:32 PM

Somebody earlier suggested that a flying car would have been a better preparation for piloting an X-Wing then a T-16.

You do realize that a T-16 is basically the civilian version of a fighter, right? What Luke does is more like going from a T-38 to a F-16 than going from a car to a F-16.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/T-16_skyhopper

Luke never flew in vacuum before the Death Star run.

Oddly enough, being a vacuum hardly ever makes a difference to how spacecraft fly in Star Wars Space. So say nothing of how well things that have no wings or aerodynamics work in atmosphere.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#5173: Jan 7th 2016 at 5:36:42 PM

[up][up]...Why is it that I never read that but hate it, while I loved seeing Kylo Ren kill Han Solo on the big screen?

I mean.

In a weird way, killing Han is a bigger deal than killing Chewbacca or Mara Jade would ever be.

They got back Harrison Ford to kill him off.

That's gutsy.

[up] Star Wars space is dumb.

edited 7th Jan '16 5:40:45 PM by unnoun

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#5174: Jan 7th 2016 at 6:12:59 PM

Probably because Jacen killed Mara with what amounts to a cheap trick in the heat of battle. Kylo killing Han has a far different, more acceptable context.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#5175: Jan 7th 2016 at 6:38:20 PM

I've heard a rumor that it was going, originally, to be Luke who was smushed by the moon, with Anakin Solo then taking over as protagonist, but it was nixed by Lucas fiat.


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