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LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#51: Feb 15th 2016 at 6:26:25 PM

Between any of the Lords, perhaps? I picked Marth because he was the first.

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#52: Feb 15th 2016 at 6:38:38 PM

No, there'll be only one Lord. And therein lies the challenge for Marth. It's just him alone along with just very few familiar faces and others seems to have their loyalties to someone else. It'll be his job to win their trusts.

I'll not be unfair at him, though. I'll probably leave up someone like Caeda for him to pick up. However, their interaction would be more... different than the usual convo they had.

I'm asking about cross-supports between those normal unit characters.

edited 15th Feb '16 6:43:04 PM by ChrisX

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#53: Feb 15th 2016 at 7:26:38 PM

Aw, man! And here I was about to say "Eirika x Lyon support plz!"

Um... oh, hey, what about a chat between FE 6 Karel and FE 7 Karel?

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#54: Feb 15th 2016 at 7:34:51 PM

IF they appear at all... but I'll take that into consideration. However, I think I am not going to include 'future selves'...

But young Karel X old Karel speak would be interesting.

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#55: Feb 15th 2016 at 7:40:47 PM

Beyond that, I wouldn't mind more "Dark Mage x light-or-anima-user" convos in the vein of Knoll and Natasha or Canas and Nino.

Actually, hell, how about Canas and Knoll? Could be some interesting magibabble going on in that conversation.

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#56: Feb 15th 2016 at 7:52:04 PM

I'll take the 'Dark + Light/Anima Support' style to note. The result might be different (as in, it might be another than Canas or Knoll), but the concept is the same. Dark still has Henry or Tharja to consider, for instance.

Or anyone from Jugdral (especially Genealogy) can be freaked out too, seeing that most of the Lopt Sect are downright evil (with only Salem from Thracia being the exception), and they're the ones who have exclusive access to dark magic.

That said, I'm going to need a new cadre of Marth's main group, aside of him and probably Caeda as his Lancer or 2nd in command. I'm going to need a Jeigan and a tactician, which can be a mage. Suggestions?

(When I said Jeigan, it means the Archetype, not the character, which I'll refer as Jagen)

Also I'm open with some sort of Fix Fic scenario or sorts. In case you find something that you felt like could use fixing, try to point it out. Continuity error killing Canas might be... um... I guess something to tackle on?

edited 15th Feb '16 7:55:13 PM by ChrisX

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#57: Feb 15th 2016 at 8:18:04 PM

When in need of a Jeigan, use Oifaye. tongue

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#58: Feb 15th 2016 at 8:25:28 PM

I was personally thinking Titania myself...

Also one thing. I wonder why this isn't an archetype yet, though maybe it dies down since the Ylisse saga. When you have your Wyvern Riders, they always come in at most 2 Riders, one of them will be a junior rider, the other one a senior rider, and you only get the junior if you can only get one. Minerva is the junior to Michalis (though it takes New Mystery to get him to join), Altenna is the junior to Areonne (though the latter is at most NPC), Zeiss is the junior to Miledy, Heath is the junior to Vaida, Cormag is the junior to Glen (he's only available in Trial Maps), Jill is the junior to Haar.

Do I have to follow these forms if I want to add Wyvern Riders in this?

edited 15th Feb '16 11:10:05 PM by ChrisX

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#59: Feb 17th 2016 at 5:13:07 AM

Also I'm sorry for double-posting, but I'd like to discuss some 'development' points here. As in, I'd like to add some Character Development within this fic. Yes, even the 'extras'. Maybe via Supports... or maybe even 'bonus mission' as a culmination of their Supports. This might border on Fix Fic, but let me know if I step out of the line with this.

I'll start with these two from Tellius games: Gatrie and Astrid.

I don't think I will directly ship them, but I see this as a chance to develop them further from their flaws. We know Gatrie is a Chivalrous Pervert, but I tend to think that his approach to ladies are extremely noobish, on the same level or even beaten by Sain. I'd like to make this story a chance for him to develop, as in maybe realizing that his ways of wooing the ladies will never net him any good soulmate and then promises to fix his ways of approaching ladies to be taken more seriously. Now how do I make that out while keeping him as the lovable perv? I dunno, if Gatrie becomes a more serious character, it'll ruin his charm... I know there's the trope Ladykiller in Love but I'd like to know how to make it work with Gatrie of all people.

(Oh, and he's also a candidate for 'first armor knight recruited' a la Draug for this fic)

Next up... Oh God. Astrid. Last we left her in Radiant Dawn, she's this Makalov-fawning fangirl who'd defend him even when he does obviously stupid things and refuses to listen to others. Now Makalov will probably not be in this fic, but I'd like to know just WHAT can finally open Astrid's eyes that she picked the wrong guy to fawn over? So her arc is realizing that her naivete caused her to grab the wrong guy and she's paying the consequences, and will develop her to be a more careful lady. Dunno how to handle it (especially with the absence of Makalov), but I don't mind it being a harsh lesson that makes her cry and have a My God, What Have I Done? moment. Also I'll take it that she's not having an A-Support with Makalov, so she does not marry him... yet.

Help will be MUCH appreciated in building up arcs like this.

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#60: Feb 17th 2016 at 5:35:17 AM

I'm not terribly familiar with Tellius, but Fix Fic isn't a bad thing. If that's how the story ends up going, then that's just how it is.

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#61: Feb 17th 2016 at 7:58:27 AM

Good. That's already better then canon.

You gotta start somewhere.
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#62: Feb 17th 2016 at 8:02:47 AM

Um, what do you mean? I was asking how to expand from that one. As in, what are the scenarios to make such development happen?

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#63: Feb 17th 2016 at 10:05:07 PM

Double posting again, and... well Eva has mentioned about Karel. I might give him an arc where he is powered down and then having to rebuild his reputation as the Sword Demon. But then after that, he may have to struggle whether he likes being a Sword Demon better or be a Sword Saint. The plus side is that he's becoming the token Navarre guy, as in available early. There's also amnesia that we had to consider too.

That's one potential arc we can consider... Next up... well, this might be a big one from Jugdral, and probably the most mind-gutting... Tailto.

Yes, I know she is dead by the time the 2nd gen begin. However, since this is a cross over or sorts so we can work it out. At any rate, when she is first met, she's pretty much in her broken, depressed state like before she died. We didn't directly see how she acts that way, so I think it'll be a challenge to portray such Genki Girl in an utterly depressed state. This won't last long, however, her arc will be about reclaiming her memories and coming to terms to it, eventually making her return as the Genki Girl, except this time with newfound wisdom of what has transpired in her life. Basically, she'd like to greet heaven with a smile instead of being a depressed wreck.

Not sure if her children will play a part in this fic or I'll allude to her husband.

Ya think?

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#64: Feb 17th 2016 at 10:09:56 PM

I don't know much about Jugdral, so I can't help you much on that front. Karel being the Navarre is interesting though, though to be a full Navarre he'd have to be a Myrmidon, not a Swordmaster.

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#65: Feb 17th 2016 at 10:11:10 PM

Yes. Due to 'difficulties' he'd lose a lot of his skills and now stuck in Myrmidon, and having to claw his way out to Swordmaster level again.

LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#66: Feb 17th 2016 at 10:20:12 PM

That sounds like a nice plan.

Any plot ideas?

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#67: Feb 17th 2016 at 10:31:07 PM

Well... let's recount how many characters we have so far and their class/archetype:

From Archanea

  • Marth -> Lord
  • Caeda -> Pegasus Knight/Love Interest

(Honestly I was thinking that maybe I should have a route split a la Gaiden or midway of FE8 whereas Caeda is the other 'leader'. She's really getting near a female Lord, what with her Wing Spear being a spear version of Rapier and she has her ways of recruiting others)

From Jugdral

  • Tailto -> Anima Mage (Thunder)

From Elibe

  • (Amnesiac) Karel -> Myrmidon/Navarre Archetype

From Tellius

  • Titania -> Horse Knight/Jeigan Archetype
  • Gatrie -> Armor Knight (The Draug. It's an unofficial archetype)
  • Astrid -> Horse Archer

That's 2 from Archanea, 1 from Jugdral, 1 from Elibe, 3 from Tellius...

I could use an Ogma Archetype or Lena/Julian Archetype. Granted, I might want the latter to be from different series. Also probably Caeda won't participate in any events of Pegasus Knight Triangle Attack, so 3 more 'Pegasus Ladies' can be suggested

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#68: Feb 17th 2016 at 10:35:30 PM

Who do you want to use from Awakening?

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#69: Feb 17th 2016 at 10:41:45 PM

I haven't played the game, but I do have some characters that I might use once I get a better understanding in the game. Two that comes to mind... Sumia being one of the Pegasus Knights to do the Triangle Attack and Tharja as the Dark Mage.

Just remember it's temporary at the moment, but they have a big chance to get in.

Oh yeah, I also haven't decided the Wyvern Knights. Which harkens to my question back then, does it have to be TWO and following the pattern of senior-junior?

edited 17th Feb '16 10:43:05 PM by ChrisX

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#70: Feb 18th 2016 at 5:43:38 AM

Miledy and Cherche are the best Dragon Knights.

...oh, hey, any chance Lyon could be used?

edited 18th Feb '16 5:44:13 AM by EvaUnit01

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#71: Feb 18th 2016 at 7:17:09 AM

Lyon probably not. What idea do you have in him though? I might... 'consider' if the idea is pretty good.

Miledy and Cherche... now let's say I take them in. Do they fulfill the dynamic of 'senior and junior' in the same vein of Vaida-Heath or Haar-Jill? So... which one would be the senior and which one would be the junior rider?

edited 18th Feb '16 7:17:32 AM by ChrisX

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#72: Feb 18th 2016 at 7:53:40 AM

I'm gonna be honest, I just want more Lyon fic in general.

....'specially on the off chance of shipping him with Eirika.

As for Cherche and Miledy.... no, they really wouldn't have the senior-junior dynamic.

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#73: Feb 18th 2016 at 8:02:01 AM

I think you came to a wrong fic if you're looking for that. I might not include Eirika amongst the roster since I don't want to overbloat the fic with Lords.

Speaking of that, though, I am considering some Magvel entries, but might avoid overly obvious ones like L'Arachel or Joshua. I'm that kind of oddball choice maker.

edited 18th Feb '16 8:03:54 AM by ChrisX

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#74: Feb 18th 2016 at 9:57:33 AM

Saleh.

Nobody expects Saleh.

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#75: Feb 18th 2016 at 5:35:43 PM

Well... unfortunately not. Sorry, not that much of a Saleh guy.

Mainly though, I was thinking Natasha. Dunno, always have a soft spot on her. I also have a reservation on Tana, but that depends on certain other factors.

The factor being that I might think that for the other 'Anima mage', it would be Lilina from the Elibe series. I'd like to see her 'grow' without Roy, personally. Thing is, if she's in, adding Tana would be redundant, because we'll have 2 characters who's similar to Caeda (blue hair, love interest, like to recruit lots of characters because of kindness). Secondly, I do wonder... would it do justice if I had her specialize in FIRE? Because the Anima ultimate tome in FE6 is Forblaze and it's Fire. Thirdly... if that is the case... would it be that she might turn out to be the inverse of Karel? As in, Karel was the one who was originally OP or prepromo, but now he's on basis start. Lilina on the other hand, would already be an experienced mage. I'll not be cruel and say she's now prepromo, but I think she'll have a good deal of experience when she joined.

God, I now feel like I want to do the splitting between Marth and Caeda and then have them recruit their army only to unite later... Of course, after a misunderstanding and a bloody fight


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