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#2426: Jun 1st 2020 at 8:08:13 PM

Crossposted from the South Asian thread, more troops are heading to the Indo-Chinese border despite them saying the situation is under control: https://www.newsweek.com/troops-head-china-india-border-despite-both-sides-saying-situation-under-control-1507913

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#2427: Jun 1st 2020 at 8:09:28 PM

When authoritarians insist things are under control, they usually aren't under control.

Edited by M84 on Jun 1st 2020 at 11:10:42 PM

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#2428: Jun 1st 2020 at 9:47:20 PM

For fuck's sakes, we are already dealing with the White Horse, there's no need to follow up with the Red Horse!

Edited by raziel365 on Jun 1st 2020 at 9:51:41 AM

Instead of focusing on relatives that divide us, we should find the absolutes that tie us.
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#2429: Jun 1st 2020 at 10:21:51 PM

Switching gear to pop culture for a moment:

Accented Cinema did a video essay on the recent growth of the Chinese animation industry. It's a pretty long and extensive analysis at 20 minutes long and covers a lot of older titles not well-known outside China, though I kind of wish it had covered the 1999 Journey to the West series, which had pretty sublime animation and is available on YouTube. White Snake and Ne Zha are both available on iTunes and Google Play, if you're looking for something to watch during quarantine.

And ethnomusicologist Elise Anderson (whose cover video made the rounds a while back) did an essay on the role of Uyghur pop music as a space for civic discourse in a setting where cultural expression is heavily repressed. One of the talent show judges mentioned, Sanubar Tursun, was also a longtime collaborator to San Diego-based pipa artist Wu Man (who is contributing to the soundtrack of Mulan (2020)), at least before she got disappeared in 2018.

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#2430: Jun 2nd 2020 at 12:27:36 AM

So apparently mainland China is seeing cases of babies suffering health problems due to tainted baby formula again.

This article is a couple weeks old, but there seem to have been new reports since then.

Economic Times: China probes new baby milk formula scandal: Report

Edited by M84 on Jun 3rd 2020 at 3:45:55 AM

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#2431: Jun 3rd 2020 at 7:28:17 PM

NYT op-ed: Why China May Call the World’s Bluff on Hong Kong

    Article 
HONG KONG — China long depended on Hong Kong to be everything it was not. The city’s freewheeling capitalism and personal freedoms, both absent from the mainland, made it one of the world’s premier financial hubs. Together, they flourished for decades.

Now China is doing what was once unthinkable: imposing its will on Hong Kong in a way that could permanently damage the former British colony economically and politically. In pushing for a new national security law that many fear will curtail the city’s liberties, the Chinese Communist Party is calculating that control and stability outweigh the benefits the city has long provided.

Other countries are threatening to retaliate in ways that could leave Hong Kong a shadow of its former self. The United States has vowed to end the special economic treatment it has long granted the territory. Britain has said it could open its doors to three million Hong Kongers, laying the groundwork for a severe brain drain.

But Beijing sees its position as strong while the rest of the world is divided and still recovering from the coronavirus pandemic. The United States will hurt itself more by coming down hard against Hong Kong, officials believe. Hong Kong’s protest movement, at least for the moment, seems demoralized.

And when it comes to the global economy, the Communist Party is wagering that the world needs China, with or without Hong Kong. The response of the business community has been muted so far. Even if it protested, business has always come back to China, whether in the wake of the 1989 Tiananmen Square crackdown or the British handover of Hong Kong back to China in 1997.

“There will be some unhappy people for some time,” said John L. Thornton, a former president of Goldman Sachs who has longstanding ties with China’s leadership. “But the drum rolls, the dogs bark and the caravan moves on. That’s the political judgment. They have had a fair amount of empirical evidence that the concerns will disappear.”

On Wednesday, HSBC said Peter Wong, its Asia-Pacific chief, had signed a petition supporting the national security law.

Unquestionably, Hong Kong has declined in importance to China as the mainland economy has surged. In 1997, Hong Kong’s economic output was nearly one-fifth the mainland’s, making it a necessary growth engine for Beijing. Deng Xiaoping, then China’s top leader, had agreed to allow Hong Kong to keep its business and personal freedoms for decades to come, saying years earlier that “there was no other possible solution.”

Today, Hong Kong’s output is less than 3 percent of the mainland’s. While investors still prize Hong Kong’s rule of law, low taxes and transparent business environment, they have grown more accustomed to doing business in mainland cities like Shanghai, where the stock market is bigger than Hong Kong’s by value.

Nevertheless, Washington believes Hong Kong is still too valuable for China to jeopardize.

President Trump said last week that he would strip Hong Kong of the special status granted to it by Washington. Depending on what he does, it could subject Hong Kong to the same tariffs and trade restrictions imposed on mainland China.

If the United States wants to raise the stakes sharply, it could harness one of its major strengths: its vital role over the global financial system.

China relies heavily on Hong Kong’s unlimited access to U.S. dollars, the world’s de facto currency. China tightly limits the amount of its currency that flows past its borders, making the Chinese renminbi less useful in making global payments and loans, striking deals or participating in international finance. About three-quarters of all renminbi payments flow through Hong Kong, according to data from the Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunication, a network that facilitates global financial transactions.

American retaliation may be enough to get many businesses to leave. In a survey released on Wednesday by the American Chamber of Commerce in Hong Kong, more than a quarter of companies questioned said they were considering moving elsewhere.

Individuals may leave, too. The British government, which says the national security law violates the handover agreement, said it would offer a path to citizenship to nearly three million Hong Kong residents — almost half the city’s population — if China proceeded.

“This would amount to one of the biggest changes in our visa system in British history,” Britain’s prime minister, Boris Johnson, wrote in an opinion piece in the South China Morning Post, a Hong Kong newspaper, on Wednesday. “If it proves necessary, the British government will take this step and take it willingly.”

Firms that help Hong Kong residents apply for British visas have seen a surge in interest. One, British Connections, said 120 people had applied for British travel documents between May 22 and May 31, up from 67 in the same period last year.

Hong Kong residents have also explored other options, including Canada, Australia and Ireland. Those departures could deprive the city of talent and embarrass Beijing to boot, which is perhaps why China reacted furiously to Britain’s announcement.

“All Chinese compatriots residing in Hong Kong are Chinese nationals,” Zhao Lijian, a spokesman for China’s Foreign Ministry, said at a news conference, adding that China could take unspecified countermeasures.

China’s response has suggested that Beijing is willing to sacrifice Hong Kong to get its way. Other Chinese cities, like Shanghai and Shenzhen, have pledged to make investor-friendly legal and financial changes to fight for Hong Kong’s business. The resort island of Hainan has promised to turn itself into a free-trade port like Hong Kong.

More broadly, China sees the risk as limited.

In the face of Mr. Trump’s threat, for example, China is calculating that he is bluffing. American business interests in Hong Kong are extensive. If the White House takes the more drastic route of limiting Hong Kong’s access to U.S. dollars, Chinese banks have other ways to maintain access to the global financial system, said Victor Shih, an expert on the Chinese financial system at the University of California, San Diego.

China also holds more than $1 trillion in U.S. Treasury bills, which accounts for more than 4 percent of America’s total debt. While China cannot quickly sell that debt without making major problems for itself, such a move could cause disruptions globally.

Chinese officials also believe that Hong Kong’s business elite, historically a moderating force on Beijing, has been successfully persuaded or pressed to go along. Many have extensive business holdings in the mainland.

“We probably need not overinterpret it,” Li Ka-shing, Hong Kong’s richest man, said of the law in a statement.

Some of Hong Kong’s biggest investors contend that business will continue as usual.

Weijian Shan, a major private equity investor in Hong Kong, recently wrote a memoir detailing recollections of his difficult childhood under the harsh policies of Mao Zedong. In a letter to his clients this week, he expressed little concern about Beijing’s new security law for Hong Kong.

“There will not be any change in the rule of law, independent judicial system or freedom of expression,” he said.

China is also acting at a time of political strength. It has contained the coronavirus within its borders, a feat few other countries have managed. The moment may have emboldened China’s top leader, Xi Jinping, to take steps that his predecessors dared not.

Other rivals have been weakened. Mr. Trump is struggling to pass the blame for American missteps in dealing with the outbreak and is increasingly consumed with unrest at home.

Other Western democracies, historically allies of the pro-democracy movement in Hong Kong, are preoccupied with their own crises. The United States, with its steady retreat from global leadership under Mr. Trump, is in no position to rally them, say supporters of both the protesters and Beijing.

“‘We expect foreign condemnation for everything we do’ basically is their attitude,” said Andrew Nathan, a professor of political science at Columbia University. “‘You guys can bark all you want but you can’t bite, so what do we care?’”

Beijing’s gamble has already yielded gains in one key arena: suppressing the protests that inspired it to act in the first place. While some protesters have vowed an even more determined fight against the new security push, others acknowledged that the movement was fractured, tired and pessimistic.

Peaceful mass protests have been barred by laws aimed at containing the coronavirus. Those who join anyway are arrested en masse by an increasingly aggressive police force. Many of the front-line protesters who clashed, often violently, with the police have fled Hong Kong or have been arrested.

A few activists have clung to hope that China still needs and wants the world’s approval.

“If the rest of the world doesn’t trust China at all, they would have to gang up against China. Is this a way forward for China and for Xi Jinping?” Martin Lee, a prominent veteran democracy supporter, said. “We have to persuade them that it is ultimately and eminently in the interest of China that they win the confidence of the rest of the world.”

It is not clear that Beijing agrees. Mr. Lee, 81, who is sometimes called the “Father of Democracy” in Hong Kong, was arrested in April for his participation in protests last year.

Pretty roundabout turn of fate, given that Hong Kong's rise as a financial hub was partly helped by the Communist victory in the Mainland taking down Shanghai from its position as the world's third-largest financial centre.

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#2432: Jun 3rd 2020 at 7:28:24 PM

Welp, it's June 4th. In mainland China it's known as "the day where nothing at all happened so shut up". To the rest of the world outside of their firewall, it's the anniversary of the Tiananmen Square massacre.

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#2433: Jun 4th 2020 at 12:54:06 AM

Chinese-Australian artist Badiucao did a series to commemorate the anniversary.

Since we've all seen photos from the bloody crackdown on June 3rd/4th, here's a photo collection from a while back giving a bigger picture of the protest.

And here's Zhao Ziyang's speech to the protesters pleading for them to clear the square before the military comes down in force.

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#2434: Jun 5th 2020 at 6:34:39 PM

Foreign Policy op-ed: Tiananmen Can Happen Here

    Article 
When I was 5, all I knew of Tiananmen, the Gate of Heavenly Peace, was that it was an entrance to the Forbidden City, a wondrous palace where the emperors of the Qing dynasty once dwelled. China’s history was tangible to me, at my fingertips in my books and lessons.

Then I learned more. At 15, I knew of the deaths when tanks rolled into the square and suppressed the demonstrators. At 20, I read the diary of Communist Party chief Zhao Ziyang, which detailed how students and workers organizing for government accountability had once filled the square. Soldiers of the People’s Liberation Army struggled to force them out. Leaders, afraid for what they called a “counterrevolutionary riot,” sent in tanks and ordered the use of live ammunition.

June 4, 1989, 31 years ago this month, is a pivotal moment in Chinese history. Memory, ideology, and state violence intermingle even after three decades. Tiananmen’s true legacy, which encompasses both the glory of the palace and the blood and hopes of the students who demonstrated on the square, will be something that Chinese people like myself continue to grapple with as long as our history ticks on.

Hong Kong’s research institutions and bookshops, some of which have shuttered, are threatened with restrictions if noncompliance with Beijing’s law stands. Underneath their helmets and umbrellas, protesters in Hong Kong fear the future even as they push on. They have remembered, and they have learned from the bones of Tiananmen.

In spaces in the United States, where there are none of the barriers to mourning Hong Kongers face, Tiananmen’s story is only a relic. There is no linkage of Tiananmen to America itself, despite the violence that the American state has also inflicted on its own citizens over the years and decades and the struggle against the brutality of law enforcement that continues today.

In 1990, Donald Trump told Playboy magazine: “When the students poured into Tiananmen Square, the Chinese government almost blew it. Then they were vicious, they were horrible, but they put it down with strength.” Blunt as this observation was, it treated Tiananmen as not just a moment but a lesson, one from which Trump learned the lessons of power. Among the foreign-policy community, however, Tiananmen is too often a dusty relic behind glass, not a lesson about blood, strength, and sacrifice for today.

When survivors are brought out for photos or testimony on Tiananmen, the event is directed on the Chinese Communist Party alone, not on the possibility of bloodshed elsewhere. U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo took a photo with Chinese dissidents and posted the image on social media without a caption. Their faces, more recognizable to the Chinese government than the broader American public, were meant as a signal to his Beijing-based diplomatic counterparts.

Despite the selectivity of this remembrance, death and dissident life are not all there is to tell about 1989. The vividness of the Tiananmen movement’s life at the hands of the Chinese people, and its subsequent death at the hands of the Chinese army and the police who hunted down the movement’s supporters throughout the country, is seldom allowed breathing room. In the moments when the young were able to dance and chant for a brief moment in that Beijing Spring, a different future was present but not one unconnected from the past. They worked with one another in the spirit of their ancestors, who rallied against emperors and warlords and secret treaties.

They found a sympathetic ear in Zhao, who was then swiftly punished by Deng Xiaoping, a leader himself once exiled by the Communist Party. In the days and years afterward, Beijing mourned its dead children, the ones who dreamed of something else, shot on Changan Avenue, at Hufangqiao, at Qianmen. So did the parents of students in Chengdu, Lanzhou, and Xian, to name just three of the cities that were crushed in the aftermath.

It has been 31 years. In the United States, young protesters pour water into their eyes to clear out tear gas and tend to their wounds, inflicted by police and a military that demand acquiescence. Black Americans, restless from the unending burdens of systemic racism, demand that their lives matter. As I see Americans marching, singing, dancing, and asking the nigh impossible from their leaders, I think back to young people in a square doing the same many decades ago.

Despite the Communist Party’s efforts to silence the story, Chinese parents of the fallen youths and overseas communities tend the flame in their memory. Stories of what happened pass on through families of students who vanished or were imprisoned and those who have sought homes overseas. The government sought to cut dissidents off in the aftermath of Tiananmen by severing their connections to family, friends, and communication channels back in their homelands, levying loneliness and the pain of immigrant life as discipline for political activities at home, just as the government is now assaulting the Uighur community, which suffers brutally at the hands of state repression in Xinjiang.

But the weight of Tiananmen is received in the United States not as a warning to treasure civic society but as a relic of another place that lost a piece of it irreparably. In America’s places of power and knowledge, where Tiananmen is studied most, the lesson is cleanly and precisely unconnected to U.S. governance. It is a matter for China, not for the aftermaths of Rodney King’s beating, Michael Brown’s shooting, and the cold-blooded killing of George Floyd. In choosing to advocate for military intervention on the streets of Washington, D.C., and other cities where protests have taken place, politicians like Sen. Tom Cotton miss opportunities to apply Tiananmen’s bitter lessons to the United States.

Tiananmen in the American imagination is something fantastic and distant, deliberately placed far away and long ago. It is otherized in a collection of stories of crushed overseas rebellions that can’t happen at home. It is a black mark against the Chinese state alone, rather than a possibility in America itself. Only under a dictatorship could such things happen, we say, forgetting Ocoee, Opelousas, Tulsa, or Kent State.

The soldiers standing on the streets of Washington today hail from around the country, called in by the Defense Department. They have been issued looming, vague commands to keep order, as defined by a White House dissatisfied with the response of local police officers.

American officers have publicly rebuked the president, echoing the spirit, perhaps, of Maj. Gen. Xu Qinxian. “I’d rather be beheaded,” he said, refusing to quash the Tiananmen protests, “than be a criminal in the eyes of history.” He served four years in prison as a criminal in the eyes of the Communist Party. His subordinates, pulled from barracks outside Beijing, rode tanks into the square and carried out their orders.

Uprisings are begun by ordinary people and crushed by people just as ordinary. Today of all days, it’s time to start remembering that.

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#2435: Jun 5th 2020 at 8:48:41 PM

Swedish diplomat Anna Lindstedt is in trouble now and is being investigated on her role that got Guo Minhai disappered.

This one from the BBC:

For the first time in modern Swedish history, an ex-ambassador has gone on trial and faces a possible jail term.

Anna Lindstedt is accused of going beyond her remit by holding unauthorised talks with a foreign power to gain the release of a Chinese-born Swedish citizen.

Gui Minhai, a Hong Kong bookseller, was later jailed by China for "illegally providing intelligence overseas".

The prosecutor said Ms Lindstedt had put relations with China at risk.

She had acted in violation of Swedish foreign policy by arranging the negotiations, he told the court on Friday.

The former ambassador's defence lawyer told the court in Stockholm she denied the charges.

What is the ex-ambassador accused of doing?

In February 2019 Anna Lindstedt was recalled from China as ambassador after she was accused of brokering an unauthorised meeting at the Sheraton Hotel in Stockholm between Gui Minhai's daughter, Angela Gui, and two Chinese businessmen said to have connections to the Chinese Communist Party.

Before the meeting Ms Gui had been campaigning for her father's release, and then said she had been invited to the meeting by Ms Lindstedt, who told her "there were some businessmen she thought could help, and that they wanted to meet me in Stockholm". Image copyright Getty Images Image caption Mr Gui was a co-owner of Causeway Bay Books, which sold books considered by the Chinese to be politically undesirable

She alleged that during a meeting over two days one of the businessmen had pressed her to accept a deal involving a "few years" in jail if she stopped publicising her father's detention.

Ms Gui also alleged that the ambassador had backed the plan, warning her that if her publicity continued, China might "punish Sweden". What does Lindstedt say?

Anna Lindstedt has denied wrongdoing and said nothing publicly. However, she argues that she emailed the foreign ministry in Stockholm about the meeting and as ambassador had appropriate powers to act.

She also denies that the meeting with the two businessmen constituted talks with China. Prosecutors say at least one of them represented the Chinese state.

The foreign ministry says it sent a message to her to drop the case but the former ambassador says she never received it.

Twenty-one ex-ambassadors have defended Ms Lindstedt, arguing that she was well within her mandate to organise the meeting and have criticised the decision to involve Swedish police.

Who is Gui Minhai?

A Hong Kong bookseller with Swedish citizenship, he went missing while on holiday in Thailand in 2015 and later turned up on Chinese state television confessing to a 2003 drunken driving incident.

Four other Hong Kong booksellers, who were also involved in publishing racy accounts of Chinese leaders, disappeared around the same time and later appeared in custody in mainland China.

Gui Minhai was released in 2017 but then detained on a train to Beijing with Swedish diplomats and jailed last February on charges of illegally providing intelligence abroad.

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#2437: Jun 8th 2020 at 11:24:36 AM

Just yesterday I learned that the term "Baizuo" is a thing....

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#2438: Jun 8th 2020 at 11:45:17 AM

It's not really a shocking thing, it's just normal reactionary smearing of progressives. Just with reactionaries who happen to be Chinese.

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#2439: Jun 8th 2020 at 9:41:14 PM

The spread of the term (equivalent to "libtard" for those unfamiliar) has a lot to do with the fact that far-right content in Chinese social media doesn't get moderated, like, at all. Like, seriously, Chinese-Australian WeChat networks were absolutely inundated by insane conspiracy smears against the ALP and Greens in the last few election seasons - I've already brought up this example from Sydney as a sampler of what happens when it leaks IRL.

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#2440: Jun 8th 2020 at 10:01:21 PM

[up]When you said "insane", you weren't kidding. I don't even want to know what the darker throes of We Chat even looks like.

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#2441: Jun 8th 2020 at 10:03:05 PM

Never let it be said that Chinese people can't be awful bigots too. And I say this as someone of Han descent.

There's a reason Taiwan is the only place in East Asia that has legalized same-sex marriages.

Edited by M84 on Jun 9th 2020 at 1:03:50 AM

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#2442: Jun 8th 2020 at 10:55:59 PM

Yeah. Heavy nationalism + heavy censorship + general conservative values + lack of awareness for minorities + echo chamber = incredibly racist and regressive discourse on vast swaths of Chinese social media.

Not to mention a lot of Chinese social media have a strange tendency to align with the alt right when it comes to mocking certain newer media for having more diversity as "PC" or "SJW".

Honestly, I've long since acknowledged that Chinese people (at least from mainland China) really occupy a hierarchical position as high as white people in the world, which makes any state propaganda or nationalist rants that paints themselves as the victim more pathetic.

Edited by Alycus on Jun 8th 2020 at 11:27:36 AM

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#2443: Jun 9th 2020 at 12:52:03 AM

For a relative value of such; certainly within China itself, and the specter of Chinese imperialism mars much of East and Southeast Asia. But again, Chinese minorities in other countries such as Indonesia can still occupy a position in which they face a lot of discrimination, both casual and systematic, even as they may hold certain debatable levels of economic privilege. It's not an easy binary.

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#2444: Jun 9th 2020 at 2:00:19 AM

Edited by SeptimusHeap on Jun 9th 2020 at 11:04:17 AM

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#2445: Jun 9th 2020 at 6:41:20 AM

Oh, for a moment I thought it might be similar to "white feminism" which is a critique from the left. But you're right, "libtard" or "SJW" seem to be the better analogues.

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#2446: Jun 9th 2020 at 7:03:52 AM

But it seems to be an exclusive term for white Liberals.

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#2448: Jun 9th 2020 at 7:16:32 AM

Yeah. Heavy nationalism + heavy censorship + general conservative values + lack of awareness for minorities + echo chamber = incredibly racist and regressive discourse on vast swaths of Chinese social media.

Not to mention a lot of Chinese social media have a strange tendency to align with the alt right when it comes to mocking certain newer media for having more diversity as "PC" or "SJW".

Honestly, I've long since acknowledged that Chinese people (at least from mainland China) really occupy a hierarchical position as high as white people in the world, which makes any state propaganda or nationalist rants that paints themselves as the victim more pathetic.

And that without going into the fact the Chinese, along with Koreans and Japanese, are considered a "model minority" in some western countries.

The "playing the victim card" is one of the things that helped China in order to get their membership into the United Nations Security Council, with some help of the Soviets, while ignoring that other Asian countries that were affected by the Japanese, like Korea, got even worse treatment from the latter than China, excluding some events, like the Rape of Nanjing, and similar stuff.

Edited by luisedgarf on Jun 9th 2020 at 9:17:45 AM

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#2449: Jun 9th 2020 at 7:18:43 AM

No. Luis, you really are minimizing the amount of devastation that the Chinese nation suffered during Imperial Japan's rampage

while excluding some events, like the Rape of Nanjing, and similar stuff.

"While exlcuding some events, like the Warsaw Uprsing, and similar stuff"

Edited by KazuyaProta on Jun 9th 2020 at 9:20:28 AM

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#2450: Jun 9th 2020 at 7:19:24 AM

[up][up]I don't see really see how you can argue that others received worse treatment while excluding specific events, logically if you have to exclude events then they did not necessarily have worse treatment.

[up]This too.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Jun 9th 2020 at 7:23:25 AM

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