Maleficent Sequel

Maleficent: "Now shall you deal with ME, O Prince, and all the powers of Hell!"

Classic Maleficent was pure awesome.

The idea that Aurora is a supporting character is one of those criticisms that doesn't really hold water, maybe the movie could be improved by making her more fleshed out but the path the movie takes is perfectly valid in its own way. It's much like Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan where Kirk and Khan never meet in person, but is a ship-to-ship battle the entire movie. Maybe allowing them to meet could improve the movie, but the movie we got was pretty amazing anyway. Sometimes forcing the narrative in a certain to meet arbitrary goals creates plot holes or even makes it more shallow.

Not sure what you mean...Aurora is the title character, but that doesn't make her the protagonist of the story. It is all about the three fairies, who take on a mission to protect Aurora.

It's the idea that Aurora being a secondary character means the film is not structurally sound. Indeed, it's the strength of the three fairies as characters that makes people forget how bland Aurora and the Prince are.

Hey, Phillip is still my favourite Disney Prince! But there is no denying that the fairies get all the character arcs.

Compared to all the prince characters of the Walt-era, Phillip definitely steps up for one of the most badass climaxes. And credit where it's due, he also stood his ground against his parents when he tells them he fell in love with a peasant girl.

Come to think of it, while Disney has enjoyed poking fun at their traditional fairy tale tropes, they've never really done a full reconstruction making both the prince and princess into fully realized characters.

Edited by KJMackley on Mar 13th 2019 at 1:20:15 AM

Tangled.

Disney Princess and the Frog. I find the twist at the end quite good in that Tiana became a princess cause she married a prince.

That's not really a twist considering Snow White and Cinderella also married into royality

You're right about Cinderella Snow White was royalty before she married the prince.

Those are still all playing with and subverting expectations, putting massive twists on the original story and otherwise avoiding the traditional fairy tale "prince rescues the princess" scenario. If not I would say Aladdin and Jasmine are the first Disney couple that are well realized.

I went ahead and rewatched Maleficent last night just to see if I still felt the same way about it, and...

It honestly treats the women so, so bad. From turning the good fairies who were originally strong and charming characters into incompetent, idiotic caricatures, to making Maleficent a victim that turns evil from a rape allegory who is now de-powered compared to the original, on top of Aurora not having much of a character arc again (which this movie had the opportunity to really give her one).

Like, damn. I have no idea why this version gets to be known as the "strong women" version of Sleeping Beauty. You went from four strong women to one, who now has "rape made me an evil baby murderer" as a backstory. Riiiight, that's so empowering.

I know. I mean, I would be able to deal with the movie being simply bad, but I just HATE that it gets hold up as the better, more feminist version of the story. Just WTF?

x5

Its a twist as far as the set up. The rules as explained seemed to be 'Need to marry a Princess'. It was never suggested that the mere act of marrying actually made the person a princess. Its also a twist since the characters had resigned themselves to their fate as frogs so they clearly were not expecting the outcome.

Close, the set up is " Need to kiss a princess to not be a frog anymore". The moment they kiss in their frog wedding, she become his wife, thus making she a princess since he a prince and lifting the curse.

All I'm gathering from this is that Maleficent should have been like Queen Ravenna from SW&TH.

We have our first trailer.

A little late to call her The Mistress Of Evil after spending the first movie Woobiefying her.

Edited by Guy01 on May 13th 2019 at 7:46:12 AM

x4 Semantics. It's still a twist. The possibility was never considered in-universe or for the characters.

x3 I'd be down. I actually enjoyed her performance and she's a fun villain. Sometimes you just want to relish in the evilness.

So I'm rather confused about this sequel. Didn't the events of Sleeping Beauty already happen? Why is she putting Aurora to sleep again? That being said, I'd love for her to be a Villain Protagonist in this.

Okay, is it just me or is the trailer absolutely incomprehensible? Am I the only one who can't even guess what the movie will be about from watching the trailer?

She isn't. That's just a flashback to the previous film.

With such blatant disregard to previous character development, I didn't know Jaime Lannister moonlighted as a gothic fairy.

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH (airhorn sounds)

Does anyone wish for her to become a dragon this time? I heard that scene in the original Sleeping Beauty film was iconic for the villain.