General Godzilla Discussion

Yeah, the 1998 western cartoon Godzilla was pretty great. It even remained faithful to plot staples from the original Japanese movies with the endgame being an Alien Invasion exploiting Kaiju as living weapons (in this case the revived original Zilla from the movie turned into a cyborg).

Personally, I liked Singular Point. Very heady. Wouldn’t mind a sequel.

What I saw of Singular Point was fun. I couldn't get into the trilogy, though.

The anime trilogy was too anti-monster movie, its story was too miserable to be entertaining, and the CG was eh at beast with terrible monster fights.

The most you can say about it is that its very pretentious.

Yeah, I just found the trilogy excessively miserable, and I'm not sure I took away the intended message, either.

I only watched the first part of the trilogy and I didn't like it. Never bothered with the rest.

Whats hilarious is how the third movie hyped Ghidorah as the most powerful and biggest version yet, but its "fight scene" was just binding Big-G so they could hold the same pose for the entire movie until the end when G frees him and stomps the 3-necked lizard in 30 seconds.

Or how in second movie Mecha-Godzilla City was just them repeating the exact same method they killed Godzilla's kid in the first movie.

I mildly enjoyed the first movie, at least enough to give the second one a chance but I found that one to be a disappointment. I mostly decided to see Planet Eater just to see how it ends and was even more disappointed.

Honest confession,I've only ever seen godzilla 2000 and maybe the cartoon

Why did that Godzilla 80's get so many Coca Cola advertising?

It was Dr Pepper as well, and it was because Advertisers at the time thought that Return of Godzilla would be campy like the Late Showa era instead of a Dark, gothic, nearly apocalyptic film. Raymond Burr inafmously refused to do any sort of product placement himself in the American cut because he took Godzilla 1954's Nuclear subtexts seriously, and he could tell that Return of Godzilla would be similar but with added Cold War symbolism too.

Why isn't Godzilla vs Biollante available anywhere?

By "anywhere", do you mean physical media? Or is it not possible to find a legal copy online too?

I thought Criterion still had it?

It's just not available anywhere for streaming. I think the only other Godzilla movie not available is the original Godzilla vs King Kong, I think all the others can be viewed legally online. I was wondering why Biollante is excluded, I've always wanted to watch that one.

It might be no one has picked up the distribution in a while. Biollante was hard to find for years before Echo Bridge put out the blu-ray.

I'm reminded Mechagodzilla from the anime trilogy had a whole nonmachine thing, constantly self-replicating itself which is how it was able to create Mechagodzilla City and could basically corrupt organic life in a grey goo scenario.

As Mecha-G ever done the nanomachine style before?

Not that I'm aware, though I think that may be due to how most of the movies Mechagodzilla appeared in were made before nanomachines were a widespread sci-fi concept.

Makes it disappointing how City on the Edge of Battle wasted the general concept.

All the Mecha-G nanomachines create is basically some fighter jets for the humans to pilot. No army of robots or the city being a massive genius loci attacking Godzilla with a nanomachine arsenal and tentacles.

I'm one of the anime trilogy Mecha Godzilla's few (?) defenders in the sense that I love its design (I love mess) and find its abilities really neat... only for the actual movie to just completely waste it. I was so excited to see it in action and was let down.

Which I also feel about the trilogy's take on King Ghidorah. Love how alien he looks... and then he doesn't get to actually do much.

"I was so excited to see it in action and was let down." pretty much describes the trilogy to a T.

At least Ghidorah showed up.

Edited by Chortleous on Sep 14th 2023 at 11:31:54 AM

Luckily this fan video created an actual fight between Godzilla Earth and Mechagodzilla

Even better is that every attack Mecha-G does in the video is actually from the movie's lore. The designers made descriptions and concept art of how all the robot's gadgets would go, so the video offers a view into how all that would look like had Mecha-G actually gotten to fight.

Another video by the same channel features a Void Ghidorah fight as well and it gets pretty crazy with what Ghidorah can do.

Edited by slimcoder on Sep 14th 2023 at 9:36:27 AM

HOLY MOTHERFUCKING SHIT THOSE WERE AWESOME! Those were FAN-ANIMATIONS?!

I am just sitting here in silent dumbstruck awe over what I just saw, just finishing both of these two.

The fact that they were made by one single person and still made a leagues better job than a pro-studio is also incredibly impressive.

Its pretty funny really. The Netflix trilogy was like the first major animated installment the franchise has gotten in a while. The potential of what it could have accomplished was to the moon thanks to the avenue of animation allowing them capable of anything. Yet when the movies came out the monster battles (the like 2 of them) were less dynamic than a fight from even the worst live-action film.

It ties into the films issue of being anti-monster movies, its supposed to anticlimactic and subversive unfortunately. They made a whole design and move-set for Mechagodzilla but it goes unused because "A giant robot is a terrible idea to fight a giant monster" so instead its...... a factory city that produces jet-fighters for the humans to pilot. Void Ghidorah is an interdimensional Godlike monster....... but its not from this reality so it can't survive unless it has outside help and the moment the human protagonist removes that help it folds like a house of cards.

Plus being way too focused on the human drama, namely Haruo's quest for revenge against Godzilla which ended on a completely depressing and borderline nihilistic note, with most of the cast dead, and absolutely nothing was accomplished. As it turns out the "too much human focus" critique can actually apply to a Japanese productions as well if done badly as well.

Edited by slimcoder on Sep 17th 2023 at 12:30:19 PM