My Hero Academia

Yeah, and he was also pretty callous about it by using his death to taunt Tokoyami and later in his message.

But that's not the same thing as setting it up.

Like, he was very clearly trying to kill Hawks from the start and even got pissed when Twice died since he would have been so useful in his goal to fuck over hero society and specially Endeavor.

Dabi is an opportunist at his core.

He won't set you up, but will have no problem exploiting your death if it happens within his vicinity if it furthers his goals.

Not everything is AFO-planned in this series on the LOV-side.

And hey, return of sludge villain from Chapter One!

finally bakugo gets a nemesis who he can fight in the final war

For the record, by "the truth", I meant the fact that just by virtue of him having a video, Dabi could have stepped in to try and stop Hawks from killing Jin, but just stood by filming, not to mention his attacking Hawks and Jin at the same time is what left Hawks with no option but killing Jin. Dabi had the ability to save Jin, but instead just stood there filming, and made the situation bad enough to require killing Jin in the first place.

Edited by RebelFalcon on Jan 23rd 2022 at 12:25:57 PM

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An idea I'd had back in the spoiler thread, though I'm unsure how feasible it is (if nothing else, there's the issue of what happens when Toga's time limit runs out), but what if Toga turned into Twice, used his quirk to make another Twice, and let that clone think he was the real thing. There is some cruel irony to be had there.

He wasn't standing there, he was setting Hawks on fire as he killed Twice. He didn't let it happen, he just sucks that bad at burning people.

Edited by WashTheLaundryHero on Jan 23rd 2022 at 9:29:42 AM

"Everyone can be someone's hero." How appropriate for AFO to take advantage of the series' biggest overarching theme for his own ends.

Spinner is absolutely going to be what tanks the heroes' Plan A, right? All Might didn't bother to name him among the important threats to watch out for in Chapter 335 and now AFO is making him effective commander of the MLA and the linchpin of his entire plan.

I wonder where Toga's family is after all of this. You think there's any chance they might be in the U.A. shelter?

I swear, Dabi is the character in this manga I feel I least have a bead on but I got major vibes from how AFO talked about "having many friends (ie: disposable pawns)" from that bit with Toga.

Edited by CheapMarzipan on Jan 23rd 2022 at 11:33:57 AM

Wait, are we seriously arguing that Dabi planned Twice's death? Because... that's not a thing we were shown. That Dabi used Twice's death for his own ends, is not the same thing as it having originally been the plan.

Dabi-Haters wants to pin everything bad on Dabi, more or less.

I don't think anyone is arguing that. -_- Then again, I can't speak for others, but I can say at least I'm not arguing that.

Edited by RebelFalcon on Jan 23rd 2022 at 12:36:32 PM

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Also I don't think Dabi filmed anything himself? Wasn't that Skeptic having cameras all over the place? I don't really remember.

I wasn't part of the original conversation but I think it's clear Dabi didn't plan for Twice' death. He WAS very eager to take advantage of it pretty much immediately, though. Which is probably where the misinterpretation comes from.

It was Skeptic's cameras. Dabi grabbed Skeptic specifically to make use of his footage.

Edited by CheapMarzipan on Jan 23rd 2022 at 11:42:49 AM

>In Gentle's case, a pro was acting, and Gentle's intervention got both him and the person he was trying to rescue badly hurt.

Gentle didn't know that. There was no sign of anyone when Gentle intervened.

Okay, I went back and checked Chapter 266. Marzipan is right, Dabi didn't have a camera on him. However, he didn't hesitate to attack Hawks even if Jin was in the line of fire, something Hawks was quick to call him out on, only for him to nonchalantly claim he knew Hawks wouldn't let something happen to Jin.

In fact, he did so again immediately after, with Jin even yelling out how hot it was, then did it again when calling Hawks "Keigo Takami", even incinerating one of Jin's clones. So while he certainly didn't set it up, he clearly didn't care if Jin got caught in the crossfire, and only saw Jin as a useful tool. Chapter 267 followed this up when Dabi claimed he was upset Jin was killed, with Hawks pointing out his Slasher Smile. And all Dabi does in response is rant about how had Jin been alive, fulfilling his dream would have been easier, how Hawks should have kept a closer eye on him rather than Jin, and how he was going to fulfill the "Will of Stain", the entire time stomping on Hawks' body while preparing to immolate him, only being distracted by the sudden arrival of Tokoyami.

So, yeah, he obviously didn't set up Jin's death, but he in no way helped the situation, nor seemed to care whether or not Jin got caught in his flames, he was gonna blame Hawks regardless, hence why he and Skeptic had to use a doctored video to make it look like Hawks killed a defenseless Jin while removing Dabi's involvement.

Vegeta: I'm back bitches!

I think Dabi makes his position pretty clear - he doesn't care about any of them aside from how far they can help him further his own goals.

So when he says he's upset about Hawks killing Twice because Twice could have made things easier for him he's telling the truth. And at the same time when he seems absolutely gleeful that Twice is dead because he recorded the whole thing and he can use that to hurt Heroes, that is also true.

But that doesn't mean there's a plan to have Twice, specifically, killed because, why would there be? Twice is an extremely valuable pawn, and Hawks killing anyone does the same damage. The people in the story aren't the audience, they don't have the same emotional attachment to Twice that we did. The damaging thing was "Hawks killed someone, and worse someone who was running away" not specifically "Hawks killed Jin Bubaigawara, that extremely dangerous criminal everyone in society loved".

It's a pretty clear example of making lemonade out of lemons.

Edited by LSBK on Jan 23rd 2022 at 12:10:06 PM

Again, I don't think anyone is arguing that. -_-

Vegeta: I'm back bitches!

Also, Dabi did have a camera on him. It was in his collar. There are a couple of panels dedicated to it in chapter 267, we just don't find out what it is until after the reveal that Dabi was filming everything.

Edited by LSBK on Jan 23rd 2022 at 12:15:06 PM

What I was trying to argue is that Dabi didn't intentionally (attacking Hawks is just a natural thing to do in the situation) do anything that facilitated Twice's death so there's no real reason Toga would get upset at Dabi after finding out any 'truth', except for the general assholisness I guess.

Edited by WashTheLaundryHero on Jan 23rd 2022 at 10:17:43 AM

I can see that. Dabi didn't have regard for Twice's life but he still isn't responsible for his death

@devak: There was a pro already on scene and tending to the situation. Gentle's intervention disrupted the operation and caused more harm than good.

The whole point is that he should have thought a bit before he acted.

Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on Jan 23rd 2022 at 1:21:05 PM

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.

I am more curious to see where exactly Twice's mind and memories reach after he is brought back again post-mortem.

If it is right before his death, he is going to be very confused about the current circumstances, to say the least...

(Also, a clone's blood does not vanish with the rest of the clone after it dissolves, as seen with Toga's near-death experience.)

Edited by TitanJump on Jan 23rd 2022 at 7:22:29 PM

The Gentle situation might also come down to a different definition of heroism. For All Might, moving without thinking to help is one of the most important parts of being a hero, but not everyone agrees with that. And I don't even think the story wants us to think it's wrong to disagree with that.

So Izuku got lucky that things worked out and that his personal hero found his actions heroic, whereas Gentle inadvertently made things worse and his attempt to help wasn't looked on so kindly.

Edited by LSBK on Jan 23rd 2022 at 12:46:21 PM

I can admit the fact that All Might and Deku being more successful makes them look much better by comparison, but it doesn't necessarily make them completely in the right either.

Aizawa repeatedly calls out Deku for being overly reckless even if he saves people, because he's putting himself more at risk by doing so.

The whole point of the Villain Hunt arc is that while Deku could do everything on his own, doesn't mean that he should.

Same with Gentle, he could have helped, but that doesn't mean that it was appropriate for him to do so.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.

Well, I don't think they're supposed to unilaterally be right. They have a valid way of being heroes, but not the only valid way to be heroes. It's just who they are. Not everyone is like that, and it's okay, even good thing.