My Hero Academia

It's a bit of both, I think. But one would assume people aspiring to be heroes do some kind of physical and Quirk training before they apply to schools.

Like, Bakugou could only do lil popcorn pops when his Quirk first appeared

Yeah, I know but I'm wondering about natural progression. They've talked about Quirks being "just another physical function" and some physical functions just naturally get stronger with age (to a certain point).

Like, assuming you're not super malnourished your going to be able to left heavier things when your 20 than when you were 10, even if you'd be able to lift even more if you had been weight lifting during that time.

So Bakugo's explosions would probably just naturally getting stronger than when he was a little kid just from growth, even though they are probably as strong as they are now because he also practiced a lot.

Edited by LSBK on May 20th 2019 at 9:03:33 AM

I'd say many quirks must have an inherant power level to some degree, since All For One actively seems to avoid picking up quirks that rely on a lot of training. That's why he didn't take Best Jeanist's. IN BJ's hands, his quirk is ultra powerful, but only because he's become a master at using it.

By that same token, the quirks Af O had must be ones that are very immediately effective.

Best Jeanist's Quirk is technical; it's power depends on application more than anything else. It's not the kind of "power" you can compare to something like super strength or elemental powers which are just very straightforward, regardless of inherent strength.

What we're talking about is inherent strength, i.e., would Bakugo's explosions still be strong even if he didn't practice (even if they still probably wouldn't be as strong as they are wit him practicing)?

Edited by LSBK on May 20th 2019 at 9:21:57 AM

City-wide explosions are totes possible in the future.

That's another question then. Does the power of a quirk Af O steals depend on how strong it's original wielder was when it was stolen?

Like, if Af O stole Bakugo's quirk when Bakugo was still a child, would he also only be able to cause little pops?

Edited by GNinja on May 20th 2019 at 2:20:51 PM

I'm gonna go with "yes". Which give him a reason to not steal Quirks from children who haven't matured, and have the benefit of putting the "Izuku actually had a Quirk but All For One stole it" theories to rest.

Yeah, the Quirks he used in combination were generally pretty straightforward and intuitive. AFO probably would not like Permeation, either. I suspect some of the Quirks he uses might be used differently and with more finesse in hands of the original owner who only has that Quirk. For example, "Pushing Air". It doesn't sound too powerful so if one would try to use that in combat they might try to use it in more subtle and creative ways than All For One did. But AFO just stacked bunch of strength enhancing and body resilience Quirks on top of it and used it to level buildings in a straight air cannon.

I wonder where exactly Search is, though. Because while it's pretty simple and useful Quirk by itself, it's simply not suited for AFO now because it requires EYES. The way AFO talked about it, he seems to have developed sort of a compulsion of collecting nice Quirks. Like if he learns about a nice Quirk and doesn't acquire it when it's relatively easily available, he feels like he's being wasteful. So it is possible that he may not have really had concrete plans for how to utilize it. But he may have had a plan to utilize it by giving it to someone else. Did he maybe put it into one of the noumus, in which case Ujiko would have access to it?

Edited by heejung on May 20th 2019 at 11:28:50 PM

The most esoteric quirk he seemed to have was that sonar one. Which was probably a quirk he NEEDED to have.

Still wondering when Best Jeanist is going to come back. At this point I feel like Horikoshi has something in store for him, even if it is just Bakugo interning under him.

Though I'm still hoping that Bakugo interns with Mirko. I feel like them bouncing off of each other would be great.

It would be incredibly short-sighted of him to do so before he achieved his long term goal of mass producing the quirk destroying bullets.

In a hypothetical situation where he got rid of all other quirks but kept his own he'd be a hypocrite, but I don't see any flaw in the logic of him using his quirk to be able to fight other people with quirks.

If he waited until he was the last one and then got rid off it, his attitude would stand legit. If not...well, hypocrite.

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I wonder if the MHA-verse is struggling with "Climate Change" too...

Edited by TitanJump on May 21st 2019 at 8:49:59 PM

I mean, he definitely wasn't planned to ever got rid of his quirk, but that's not all that was making it clear his attitude was hypocritical.

Like, he said that Quirks were a disease was because they made everyone start acting out 'heroes and villains' nonsense... and then insisted that everyone call him 'Overhaul' and made his inner circle dress like plague doctors just so they'd fit his theme. Like, if he really believed that people shouldn't be forcing themselves into the heroes and villains framework, why do any of that?

And, y'know, there's the heavy reliance on quirks, to the exclusion of the conventionally weaponry Yakuza are usually known for.

Could also just be prue pragmatism, difficult to fight people with quirks without one of your own.

He planned on selling the quirk to both sides too

Right. He makes his minions wear awkward face masks and not carry guns or knives because that's the practical way of doing things.

Since when did he make them not use any of those things? Don't confuse them not doing it, with him telling them they can't.

You're also wrong about Overhaul claiming to reject "heroes and villains"; he never said anything about villains, and as you pointed out, he fully embraced it. His entire issue with the boss was that the old man couldn't accept that they needed to change their ways in order to survive. Honestly, if not for the gratitude he felt for the guy, Overhaul probably wouldn't care about the whole Yakuza thing at all.

Man, attacking people for leaning too hard into the whole Villain thing is the very first thing we see him doing. A group of people calling themselves by a team name and robbing a connivence store are 'sick' in his view- the same sickness it later becomes clear means quirks and Heros to him.

Really, hypocrisy bleeds through his every action- he talks about how they have to change with the times if they want to survive, but also rants about how he's going to get rid of quirks and make everything how it used to be. He talks about how he would've done a much better job than Shiragaki at conserving his minions, but then uses them all as disposable meat shields. He mocks Mirio for thinking he's somebody special because of his quirk, despite talking about how his quirk means he's the only one who can handle Eri only moments earlier. Fully embracing the whole 'Villain' thing for himself despite calling it out in others is just another way that pretty central character trait of his makes itself known.

Edited by Gilphon on May 21st 2019 at 5:57:25 AM

Kai really is a pretty complex guy.

Convenience store robbery is the kind of petty and wasteful crime that is small time.

What Overhaul wants is like the Yakuza, but not caring about the bs "Honor" Yakuza had. Which includes having people pay them for "protection", getting people in debt to them, running their businesses so openly in public but not even heroes want anything to do with it, and snaking their way so deeply into Japans political system the conservative party is knee deep in them.

He prpbab'y wouldn't bother trying to pretend they're robin hood via propaganda either.

And tbh he still sounds like he's Yakuza, who run shoulders deep in hypocrisy and self-delusion.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on May 21st 2019 at 3:02:17 AM

They were "sick" because they were thinking too small, not because they were villains. Same with the League - his issue wasn't with what they were doing but how they were going about it.

Overhaul mentions the "hero sickness" multiple times, but he never says anything about a corresponding "villain sickness".

Edited by LSBK on May 21st 2019 at 5:02:31 AM

Which I why I said yesterday that I felt he was a more compelling figure than Re-Destro; the only real bit of complexity we've seen from the latter so far is that is doesn't bother him in the slightest if people disrespect him, but will murder you for saying anything bad about his father. There's an overall sense that his main motivation isn't actually liberation, but salvaging Destro's reputation.

Which is something. But it's nothing compared to the what an absolute mess of contradictory thoughts and actions Overhaul, all while somehow deluded himself into thinking it was all internally consistent.

It's all the same sickness to him- It's not 'hero sickness' or 'villain sickness', it's 'quirk sickness'; and the symptoms of 'quirk sickness' involve people acting like heroes or villains. Like, a gang of idiots robbing a convenience store? That's nothing remarkable. That's the kind of thing that happened all the time before quirks. What didn't happen before Quirks, and why Overhaul decides they're sick, is that same gang of idiots coming up with an overdramatic team name and dressing up in weird costumes.

Edited by Gilphon on May 21st 2019 at 6:14:56 AM

I don't know if I agree with Re-Destro not really being about "liberation"; those tears seemed real enough, and his comment about not being able to sway other people's hearts if you don't put your own into it (or something like that) seemed genuine too.

Well just have to wait and see what happens when/if he actually gets directly involved here.

Edited by LSBK on May 21st 2019 at 5:07:52 AM

I'm not necessarily saying he doesn't believe in Liberation, just that it's secondary to the 'restoring his family's honour' angle- which is why, according to him, he feels the need to destroy the league rather than work with them- he can't allow Liberation to be achieved under anyone else's banner.

Or to put it another way, he only cares about Liberation because it would validate his family, rather than because he considers it a worthy goal in and of itself. Or at the very least, he only considers it a worthy goal because his father believed in it rather than coming to that conclusion himself.

Edited by JapaneseTeeth on May 21st 2019 at 9:30:49 AM