Sora No Method

I want this to be darker than it seems because IMO the alternative is that they are pissed for some trivial bullshit.

I don't expect the series as a whole to get dark, but unless something traumatic happened seven years ago, what's going on now doesn't really make sense

Ayup. Yuzuki was already bad enough but now we have Shione being a jerkwad. What was up with that slap anyway? Y Ou'd expect there to be an argument at least.

Shione was always a jerkwad. We just weren't aware of her disdain for the saucer.

Episode 4. In which there's a selfish brat.

Still find it selfish and childish to blame her.

Is what he's wearing worse than what she's wearing?

Another mean busdriver. Bad training program?

Getting help from her is a bit ironic, I think.

"It's embarrassing." Okay, that was actually funny.

And it's not like Noel couldn't actually get rid of the saucer if she wanted to. Probably. But it's not like that's actually the cause of their problems. I think.

Yuzuki is just a child who refuses to grow up and doesn't care who she hurts as long as she gets her way. Which tends to be one of the worst character types. Are we're supposed to feel sympathy for her? I feel more sympathy for everyone who has to put up with her.

Why hasn't she leared that that cutout is wider on that side?

My patience for the plot to actually move forward thinnens.

I maintain that Yuzuki is worst girl

Someone should just explain what happened back then

Wow, Yuzuki is even more of a jerk than Shione! "Your idea caused vaguely bad things that you never could have foreseen to happen when I was in elementary school! I'll never forgive you because I never grew up!" Sounds like somebody needs a juice box and a nap!

I feel sorry for Yuzuki, I get what she's going through. She's obviously went through some heavy trauma and this is her way of working it out. But people isolate and ridicule it for it. What's worse even her own friends and family are against her - even when they promised they'll help her. She feels alone, isolated and betrayed. No wonder her frustration reached tipping point and made her act irrationally. That's what I would expect to happen.

Souta sucks as an older brother and Kaori is really a bad friend. When Yuzuki said that she only cares about the shop I was like "Yep, seems that way to me too."

This episode was a stark reminder of the wall of cultural differences that separate West from Japan. Where apparently "not being a bother" is more important than helping a friend.

I don't except that everyone will understand what I'm on about, but just wanted to give a different perspective from "Yuzuki is a big baby that's bothering people."

Oh yeah, and we still don't know what actually happened. Which is annoying.

Well, if we don't see an actual reason for Yuzuki to be like that (the damn thing better have landed on her mother or something), this is getting annoying. Even if there is something like that, it's , it's still pretty bad. The fireworks totally don't cut it.

Where was that mentioned. I think I actually missed that part.

edited 28th Oct '14 6:25:53 AM by kiukiuclk

We know what happened at least landed someone in the hospital, but it also happened seven years ago. I imagine Yuzuki has a reason to be traumatized, but the others have a reason to be tired of her shit too

It's not so much that friends and family are against her as she is against everyone else.

I mean, Yuzuki has done the same thing since the saucer appeared, and she hasn't caught on to that she's just pushing people away. She hasn't grown any, not dealt with any problems, and just cared about her own crusade, other people be damned. Getting her to stop is the proper way to be a friend, since it's obviously not helping her. Encouraging her is being a bad friend, since it's just following her whims rather than following what's good for her.

Yuzuki is the girl jumping off the cliff because she thinks it's the cool thing to do, and she asks people to follow her. And hates everyone who doesn't.

The "not being a bother" should in this case only stop applying to Yuzuki herself. As in people should bother her more about what she's doing, whether she likes it or not.

It's bad that you were being ridiculed, Yuzuki. It's also bad that you're being a tad self-destructive. And you could've said in detail why the saucer is troublesome, but you didn't. Want me to be on your side? Then stop pushing everyone away!

And Souta, you ain't trying hard enough...

EDIT: And Noel continues to be adorable.

edited 28th Oct '14 2:07:33 AM by Diamite

But that's just not true, any of it.

Yuzuki is not against everyone. We've been specifically shown that all this time she tried to work with other people. And she didn't seem to hate anyone for not helping her, at least not until she found out that her own brother and best friend were colluding behind her back and were looking down on her.

What has Yuzuki done that is so terrible? She was peacefully agitating for her cause. The horror! Someone better stop her before she makes a website. A website!

Yuzuki is dealing with her problems, she's the only one of the kids that is. All of them were affected by... whatever the saucer did, but Yuzuki is the only one to actually face it head on. Meanwhile, Souta became emotionally distant and is planing on running away as soon as he can, Shione has became bitter and reclusive and Koharu is trying to repressed and doing things even she feels are wrong.

I'll take Yuzuki headstrong approach over those guys any day.

Pretty much every negative feeling anyone has towards Yuzuki is her own fault, and she's needlessly hostile against people who're trying to help her but don't have a clue about how.

Blaming something else isn't dealing with your problems. Growing up is, which she demonstrably hasn't.

No one's said she's done terrible things. Just that she's a selfish brat.

If they are trying to "help" her by antagonizing her - which they totally do - it's only normal that she antagonizes them back. If this is supposed to be their idea of help, everyone would be better off if they did nothing.

Blaming something else is totally reasonable if it's actually to blame. Which neither Souta or Hotaru questioned. It'd be different if they claimed she's irrationally blaming the Saucer for what happened but that's not the case.

Seriously if the saucer harmed her in some way, it's completely natural that she wants it's gone. That's not being childish, that just common sense. And sure as hell a healthier behavior than just escaping from your problems like Souta is doing.

I don't see how you reach that conclusion.

On my side I don't see how you reach yours so there's that.

We probably aren't going to reach an agreement on this, eh?

The anime has been short on answers (or things happening) so far, so any conclusion is as valid as each other.

So to change topic just a bit: Any suggestions on what the damn Saucer actually did?

I'm taking a wild guess and saying it fucked with the memories and/or of the people in Saucerville (or however it's called), except for them, the summoners.

I think something bad happened to their parents

My guess as well. It seems at least one parent is missing

I'm not sure why people are complaining about the pacing, especially in the context of the author's other works — Sola and Kanon. Sola especially, if anyone still remembers it (2006, same season as Haruhi), took half of the cour to reveal the truth about Sola and the protagonist that Sola was this strange vampire-like being who could grant immortality to anyone she wanted to, the real MC had died a long time ago, and the one that we've been following is a construct made out of paper created by one of the poor people Sola gave immortality to.

edited 28th Oct '14 6:34:08 PM by MyssaRei

To lose one parent may be regarded as a misfortune; to lose both looks like carelessness

I figured it was just the typical "no one has parents in anime".