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Jul 3rd 2014 at 1:01:40 AM

This poorly-written "trope" with a stubby description appears to exist solely to complain about the usage of emotional-sounding music during appropriate moments. I see no reason for it to continue existing unless we can de-complainify it.

edited 4th Jul '14 2:59:43 AM by MyTimingIsOff

shimaspawn from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
Jul 3rd 2014 at 9:28:50 PM

It looks to be an actual trope, but the tone and the title need some serious clean up.

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SeptimusHeap Christmas worms from Bern, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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Jul 3rd 2014 at 11:25:59 PM

And the description needs a bit more trope sap and less complaining and disambiguating. And inferring from the latter, a better name.

Jul 4th 2014 at 1:10:56 AM

...seriously, as written this is just a complaint. You could make a trope out of this, but as is it just reads as bashing. The examples are, of course, following suit at this.

And as [up]said, we'd need more than a three line description for what this is if we're going to actually make something out of this, which quite frankly, I don't think is worth the effort. I'd say cut

theAdeptrogue iRidescence Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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Jul 4th 2014 at 1:34:48 AM

Given that the trope has terrible name, description and examples, I would agree if it doesn't have 215 inbounds.

Jul 4th 2014 at 1:45:45 AM

Offhand, I think the fact we have such a defining lampshade of this trope from Scrubs means that it is a legitimate trope with legitimate examples. And "prone to complaining" does not equal "unsalvageable" or that it deserves to be cut just because no one feels like fixing it.

A better name is obvious, Sappy Music Cue, and it is certainly not nearly as widespread that fixing the wicks would be a problem.

Jul 4th 2014 at 2:57:30 AM

[up] Sappy Music Cue is not a good name, nor is anything with "sappy" in the title. "Sappy" is an inherently negative adjective, and it will encourage the very sort of complaining the page currently suffers from.

shimaspawn from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
Jul 4th 2014 at 9:21:27 AM

How about Sentimental then? It means about the same thing without the negative connotations.

Then we have the definition as:

The sentimental synthesized, clarinet heavy music used to underscore poignant moments in sitcoms.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
Jul 4th 2014 at 1:52:06 PM

[up]x4 ...whoops didn't notice the inbound number. Yeah, this ain't getting cut then. I agree with Shimaspawn that sentimental carries MUCH less connotations that sappy, so that might work as a starting point.

Willbyr Anime-ted from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Jul 4th 2014 at 7:09:33 PM

Well, looking back I can't find evidence of a YKTTW, which might explain how it got away with being so complainy and whining(though it might just be my search was weak).

Edit: I was bored, so I perused the inbound referrals, and it turns out most of those are webcrawlers or pages that don't actually reference the trope at all(when they aren't 404 pages that is). I've only spotted a couple that actually refer to the trope(one of those being the Minimates forum, which I did not know were a thing until now). I was wondering if this affects anything, or if we still need those inbounds...

edited 4th Jul '14 7:22:53 PM by tryrar

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Jul 5th 2014 at 6:10:16 PM

Sentimental Music Cue is absopositively a much better name. [tup]

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shimaspawn from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
Jul 6th 2014 at 12:07:26 AM

That is a good one, and we could probably also add in versions with strings.

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Willbyr Anime-ted from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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Jul 6th 2014 at 12:20:23 PM

Works for me.

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SeptimusHeap Christmas worms from Bern, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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Jul 6th 2014 at 12:22:44 PM

Same for me. Also, the example section needs the complaining and ZCE rooted out.

Jul 6th 2014 at 8:47:49 PM

Truthfully, I still kind of prefer my Sappy Music Cue from earlier. Yes, it may not be a completely neutral term but the trope is about having a stock musical cue to punctuate the big sappy scenes. Sentimental Music Cue doesn't quite have the same connotation, and in fact kind of suggests the music itself has sentimental value rather than punctuating a sentimental scene.

Jul 7th 2014 at 2:27:18 PM

I also prefer Sappy Music Cue. "Sappy" is mildly derogatory where "sentimental" is not, and IMO that is a better tone.

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Jul 7th 2014 at 8:32:32 PM

[up][up]Your argument does not make sense. You essentially just said that you prefer the negative name because it's negative. Negativity is not a good trait in a trope name. At all.

edited 7th Jul '14 9:52:18 PM by MyTimingIsOff

Jul 7th 2014 at 11:21:03 PM

Sometimes you go with the name that is most useful for the trope, and while any trope can be used positively there are many tropes that inherently have a negative connotation and you can't get around it. For some tropes I cannot think of a name that is accurate AND neutral, like Dull Surprise.

Some tropes are naturally positive while some tropes are naturally negative. Since this trope is about using a stock musical cue to highlight the big, sappy, sentimental Golden Moments, it attracts a lot of cynicism.

Jul 8th 2014 at 11:02:32 AM

Mmm, well sentimental can have a touch of a negative spin as well. IDK though, we do not want it to turn into some sort of awesome music meets moment of heartwarming thing either. It is a tough line to walk, a negative-sounding trope attracts complaining, a positive-sounding trope attracts shoehorning...

Jul 26th 2014 at 11:43:10 PM

I've been putting this off too long. Here's a page-action crowner. There's only one option right now, but feel free to add more.

Willbyr Anime-ted from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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Alternative Titles: Full House Music
13th Aug '14 6:46:35 AM
Vote up names you like, vote down names you don't. Whether or not the title will actually be changed is determined with a different kind of crowner (the Single Proposition crowner). This one just collects and ranks alternative titles.
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