The General Russia Thread

It was also noted by some, and I agree that some of those could be genuine suicides considering the situation in Russia.

Edited by Risa123 on Sep 21st 2022 at 7:50:44 PM

Personally just the fact that the Russian media are all calling them 'accidents' without hesitation makes me think there's no way it's not politically motivated. If those were suicides, I don't see why the media wouldn't come out and say it.

Well, I do believe that some of them are political murders, but not necessarily all of them.

Eh, it is not like "media" in general know more about them then us.

Edited by Smeagol17 on Sep 21st 2022 at 9:20:58 PM

Statistically, you could believe there are a couple actual accidents, but the bulk of these deaths are thought as either assassinations (the culprits are debatable) or suicides, really.

To be fair, acknowledging that they are suicides at all would probably rock the boat too since that raises the question of why these industry leaders are all suddenly eating their guns.

I'm almost certain they're all assassinations,it feels naive to assume otherwise

The guys who died were too important and were connected in one way or another to Putin. I honestly believe more than a half of them were assassinations.

And "falling/jumping out of a window" in particular has a history in Russia that goes back to at least the erly Soviet days (look up Boris Savinkov or Jan Masaryk, for example).

Edited by DrunkenNordmann on Sep 21st 2022 at 10:40:33 AM

You know you can't use statistics that way? There is more important people connected to Putin in Russia than to any other man. If you start down this patch because of such reasons, Clinton Body Count is not far away.

There's a reason Cut Himself Shaving is a trope.

Sure, if we ignore that Russia (and Putin in particular) has a history of this shit happening?

Comparing it some right-wing conspiracy completely ignores the context that Russia is right now run by a guy who's regularly had people murdered (in some cases unsuccessfully).

Edited by DrunkenNordmann on Sep 21st 2022 at 10:51:43 AM

This is a different reason altogether from "statistics". But, even if you know for a fact that a guy is a serial killer, it does not raise the probability that his aquitance who has allegedly commited suicide was in reality murdered by him by very much.

No, but the fact that faking suicides has a long history in Russia does. As I pointed out before, shit like that happened all way back to the interwar years.

Edited by DrunkenNordmann on Sep 21st 2022 at 11:12:28 AM

That’s a solid argument, X7 wasn’t arguing that, they were arguing that important/highly connected people don’t die by stuff other than assassination.

You know that Boris Savinkov and Jan Masaryk cases have no more solid evidence for them being murders than the cases we are discussing now, right?

Edited by Smeagol17 on Sep 21st 2022 at 12:09:24 PM

The most evidence for Savinkov's death being murder is anecdote and Solzhenitsyn, who is himself a poor source.

Masaryk's death is more complicated and could lean either way.

Meduza: Detained protesters in Moscow given military registration summonses.

In some Moscow police stations, those detained during the anti-mobilization protests on September 21 were given summonses to appear at military registration and enlistment offices, says human rights project OVD-Info.

Summonses were served to detainees at a number of police stations around the city. Kirill Goncharov, a member of the Yabloko party, published a summons given to one of the protesters at the Mozhaisky district police department.

The wife of one of the detainees at the Sokolinaya Gora district police station told Mediazona that her husband was personally handed a summons by the military commissar.

“On video, they filmed themselves handing him a summons and saying that he cannot not accept it, because he is a citizen of the Russian Federation, and must come tomorrow to the commissariat,” she said.

A man in plain clothes came to the Marfino district police station, saying that he would serve summonses. It is unknown whether any of the detainees received summonses to appear before the enlistment office. Human rights activists report that at least one of the detainees was threatened with criminal proceedings for refusing to sign a summons.

According to OVD-Info. summonses were also served in Voronezh Police station No. 8, where some protesters were taken.

• On September 21, Russian President Vladimir Putin announced mobilization in the country. After that, there were protests all over Russia. According to OVD-Info, by the morning of September 22, more than 1,308 people had been detained in 39 Russian cities. St. Petersburg (478 people) and Moscow (530 people) had the highest number of detainees.

The Insider: Deputies who meet the requirements for mobilisation should go to the frontline, said Duma Speaker Vyacheslav Volodin. He specifically mentions Chechen Rosgvardia chief Adam Delimkhanov, who is also a serving MP and was on the ground in Ukraine with his troops (perhaps not the best example).

The Village: In Ulan-Ude, military police and Rosgvardia personnel came to the Buryat State University and dragged students out of their classes for conscription, despite students being legally exempt.

Edited by eagleoftheninth on Sep 22nd 2022 at 5:47:58 AM

Considering how we've been mentioning in the War in Ukraine thread that Putin is avoiding conscripting Moscow residents, I must ask: why Moscow? What about other cities in western Russia like Kaliningrad, St. Petersburg, Sochi, Smolensk, Volgograd, Kursk, and Samara? Why does it seem that they're of little to no concern when it comes to conscripting and that it's always Moscow that's of major concern?

Edited by HallowHawk on Sep 22nd 2022 at 6:56:42 AM

Should there be mass revolt in Moscow and Kremlin will be taken. And most common people think that who holds Kremlin, holds the power in country.

Well, they are the ones who are in the best geographical position to overthrow him.

Edited by Risa123 on Sep 22nd 2022 at 4:00:50 PM

if you conscript people from the capital and those people all get killed or injured there won't be anyone left to defend the capital..or so they probably assume.

I've always thought it was a consequence of having so much power (economic and political) concentrated in the capital due to making it so important. See the (perceived or otherwise) arrogance of residents of Beijing in China, or Paris in France. As a result, everything outside looks like provincial boonies that can be ignored to a larger extent.

Edited by megarockman on Sep 22nd 2022 at 10:10:57 AM

And Moscow is pretty much perceived as Putin's centre of power, i.e. the one place he definitely wants to keep happy.

It's a lot easier to be isolated from the misery of a country if you live in the only place where people are happy.

Well, it is Russia, so happy may be a bit of a strong word, but you get the idea.

Edited by Resileafs on Sep 22nd 2022 at 11:18:57 AM