Rick and Morty

I do find it somewhat odd; given how self-loathing Rick is, you'd think they'd all want to be able to escape to Rickless worlds to just be alone, but I guess their collective ego outweighs that.

I do find it also odd that it's called the "Central Finite Curve" when both sides of it are infinite, but I'm guessing that's an artifact of Season 1 writing they weren't planning that far ahead on.

Edited by Anomalocaris20 on Sep 8th 2021 at 6:59:04 AM

Probably. The reveal that the Citadel only exists because of our Rick definitely doesn't feel like it was planned. It's not a super big deal, but I don't get the feeling like they were always leading up specifically to this.

Edited by LSBK on Sep 8th 2021 at 6:04:23 AM

The behind-the-scenes of this episode mentioned the writers went and rewatched s1e10 and s3e7 and combed them for information just so they could figure out what Evil Morty even wants, which suggests even Evil Morty himself was written by the seat of their pants rather than planned out since his first appearance.

Certainly explains why some of Evil Morty's goals seemed contradictory from his prior actions. Such as the idea that he cared nothing for the Citadel yet still went out of his way to try and "Clean it up", or claiming they made him President and he hates them for it despite having launched a campaign in the first place, to the point of staging an attempted assassination to boost his approval ratings.

I mean as someone mentioned, Rick's character is an explanation of the world around him in itself. It was already rather obvious that Evil Morty was a Morty that finally snapped from putting up with his Rick, so they just had to expand it from there.

Edited by Psi001 on Sep 8th 2021 at 1:32:11 PM

Incidentally, the fact that Evil Morty was able to outwit all the Ricks and get what he wanted is even more impressive now that we know the multiverse was literally designed by Ricks not to have anybody smarter than Rick.

Edited by Anomalocaris20 on Sep 8th 2021 at 8:33:47 AM

Eh. You can still outsmart someone who's smarter than you.

Evil Morty already had the luck of mostly having most of Rick's brain scan, and just needing to finish it.

It was simply a matter of staying alive long enough (since Rick was prepared to laser him in the face even before he knew who he was) to get his plan to the point where he was essentially unstoppable.

It also helps that being a Morty, he knows Rick pretty well, so had a lot of inside information, while Rick may not be used to dealing with a Morty that's so ruthless.

Yes, that's what makes it impressive. Dude managed to win in an environment designed to prevent exactly that.

Edited by Anomalocaris20 on Sep 8th 2021 at 8:39:56 AM

He didn't get lucky with that, because he's the one who scanned most of Rick's brain in the first place. Remember "Evil Rick" was under his control the entire time; all of his actions and choices were actually Evil Morty's.

Everything that has happened up to this point was straight up him just outmaneuvering everyone around him.

Like I said before, Rick suffered the same fate as many a Mad Scientist — he underestimated his own creation and it turned on him.

Bonus points if Evil Morty is actually one of those manufactured clone Mortys — heck, maybe the existential crisis resulting from figuring it out is part of why he became Evil Morty.

I think a lot of it was also Evil Morty being Beneath Suspicion. Ricks don't think very highly of Mortys.

Rick is the most intelligent man in the central finite curve, but being the most intelligent doesn't make you the smartest.

Hmm... so what differences did Ricks true backstory have with the fabricated one, one that I can see is that Rick and the "Murderer" Rick seemed to be having an arguement rather than Rick just sending him away.

Rick didn't quickly build a portal gun in the rubble of his own garage shortly after the blast like the fake memory suggested, it took him a long, long time before he got over the shock.

Edited by Anomalocaris20 on Sep 8th 2021 at 9:12:15 AM

Although, I still feel the need to call that out a bit. The reason given for why Rick could alter that was because it wasn't a memory but a complete fabrication. Now we've found out, no, it wasn't a total fabrication but just a memory he altered certain details of. The thing everyone involved, including Rick, said couldn't be done. Just another thing to make me think this whole backstory and Evil Morty stuff wasn't totally planned out.

Which, to be clear, is fine, I don't need everything perfectly planned from inception. Just pointing it's easy enough to see the seams without looking that close.

Maybe the writers never had a plan concerning backstories or an arcing antagonist and were just leaving teases here and there but not develop it. Or maybe they were trolling those aspects and the dans like they do with other tropes. Then they saw how much the fandom kept asking about Rick's history and Evil Morty and decided to expand on them.

The series always felt like there was an overall backstory chugging along behind the scenes, and the writers were just waiting for a story pay off. Or season 6 could open with everything from 5 being BS and the writers mocking the fans.

It occurs to me that even after Rick's descent into what he is after his family was murdered, he's still the most mature Rick (which is probably one of the reasons he outmatches them). Because what drove him to become the Rickest Rick was trying to avenge his family...and failing.

A big part of maturity and growing up is failure, coping with failure, and learning from failure. Rick of course isn't handling his failure in a healthy manner, but at least he has to handle it somehow. The other Ricks? They've insulated themselves from any meaningful failure with their Central Finite Curve, so they don't even have that.

C-137 Rick is the Rickest Rick because he's the most mature Rick. Which admittedly is a very low bar to clear.

There's also Doofus Rick, who has no family and has to live with being the laughing stock of the smartest Ricks, but is for the large part a genuine Nice Guy.

Edited by Psi001 on Sep 9th 2021 at 4:30:54 PM

I heard a friend say that there exists a short film where Rick briefly visits a bunch of other cartoon Universes including Adventure Time.

He must have been referring to a fanfic or something, because I'm pretty sure no such short film exists, right?

No, that doesn't sound like something I've heard of. He may have gotten it confused with the official Rick and Morty/Gravity Falls crossover... which is really just a subtle easter egg between the two shows connecting them.

Edited by lbssb on Sep 9th 2021 at 1:04:43 AM

it happened in another universe,you had to be there!

Incidentally, if the Gravity Falls easter egg is still canon, that means the Gravity Falls universe also has a Rick in it somewhere as part of the Central Finite Curve.

I nominate Ford as that dimension's Rick. Dipper can be his Morty.

Nah,thats Fiddleford,he suits the mad scientist more

Or that universe is outside the Central Finite Curve, yet still was visited by a Rick and Morty pair identical to the main ones that reside in an universe where a Rick identical to the main Rick isn't the top dog. Because that's a possibility when you have actual infinity universes.

The whole point of the curve seems to be so that things like that don't happen.

Evil Morty's whole thing doesn't make sense if it were that easy.