Let's cut the "Websites with a lot of Fan Haters" thing. It's hypocritical to call a whole website full of Fan Haters.
"Those bastards are fan haters! I hate them!"
Hehe. Indeed.
I was thinking, should we make this trope a "No examples, please" trope, like Hatedom is?
edited 14th Jul '13 6:02:33 PM by Knight9910
The same should be done for Complaining About People Not Liking the Show then. I'd say keep the In-Universe examples on the page.
edited 14th Jul '13 6:08:21 PM by MikuruFan
Captain of USS Bajor
We can definitely keep in-universe stuff. On another note the description needs a rewrite: as determined in an Ask The Tropers discussion that led to this thread, Fan Hater and Hatedom can exist independently and aren't really subtrope and super trope.
EDIT: Goddamn smartphone autocorrect. ARRRGH!
edited 14th Jul '13 7:23:57 PM by StarSword
I see no good reason for having the website list.
I see no problems with the examples or description. Maybe because "full of errors" is not particularly clear.
I'll go fix the wicks mentioned in @5.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Yeah. About that, can you provide examples of problematic sentences in the description?
Okay so maybe "full of errors" isn't right. It's more just... way too long and rambling. It seems to me like a trope description should describe the trope in question and then move on. This description goes on a long-winded rant about the causes and problems of fan-hating, attempts to psycho-analyze fan haters (thereby committing the same sin of stereotyping that it whines about fan haters doing) and just goes on and on endlessly.
I feel like the whole big rant can be moved to the Analysis page. The main page should be used for a description and examples (in-universe only in this case) and nothing else.
If no one else thinks it's worth rewriting I could always just do it myself.
Ia agree, the website list is pretty much flamebait, but I think that's all that needs to done it removing it.
edited 15th Jul '13 7:34:59 PM by shoboni
I agree with @8's proposed course of action.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
I don't think it needs to be fixed. No sense in sugar-coating something that's a real problem on the internet.
A long description is a bigger issue than "sugar-coating", whatever that covers.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Well, since everyone agreed that the "list of websites containing Fan Hating" list needed to go, I've gone ahead and removed that.
What we seem to be disagreeing on is whether or not the description should be shortened, with some people saying it needs to be left as is and others saying it's way too long and rambling.
So, I suggest we settle this with a vote. In fact, I took the liberty of making a crowner to help decide:
Honestly, I do not think that we have to crowner this. Let's just wait for more opinions.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Fair enough, but I'll leave it up anyway... mostly because I don't think I can take it down.
I don't think being to long is really a issue.
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Clock is set. I've gone ahead and hooked the crowner.
edited 17th Aug '13 6:02:32 PM by Willbyr
Amazing how this thread had a crowner for over one month and it was never hooked.
edited 17th Aug '13 10:33:34 PM by mikurufan
Votes! As-is, the topic has 10-1 votes in favour to "Shorten the description, move the analysis elements to the Analysis page."
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
The Final ECW Champion
This is not a trope, nor a discussion to make a page into a trope. Should this be moved to special efforts?
Anyway, I see no problem with listing websites if the purpose of a community is to hate fans of a work. (or if there is at least a section of a website dedicated to fan of a work they do not like, as is the case with Twilight Sucks)
Modified Ura-nage, Torture Rack
Huh? Whether something is not a trope has nothing to do with whether we can discuss it here.
edited 9th Oct '13 1:02:28 PM by SeptimusHeap
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
The Final ECW Champion
We did use to discuss general wiki issues here (what to do with the darth wiki) but we did that before we had a special efforts thread. I figured with that in existence the trope repair shop would default to...being the trope repair shop.
Apparently not. Still is a website actually does exist to hate fans or has a section dedicated to it I do not see the problem with listing them, unless they remove the section or change their purpose.
Modified Ura-nage, Torture Rack
For what it's worth, crowner snapshot: "Shorten the description, move the analysis elements to the Analysis page." is at 11-2.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
It is a trope...
Crown Description:
This is about the Fan Hater page. Some people feel that the trope's description is too long and rambling, filled with rants and needs to be shortened. Others feel that the trope's description should be left as it is, that any changes would undermine the idea behind the trope and its page.
Fan Hater needs a lot of help. The description is really long and incoherent, and full of errors. The "Websites with a lot of Fan Haters" thing seems superfluous and like it's asking for trouble. It even starts off with an incorrect definition of Fan Hater that contradicts what is said in Hatedom.