Disney/Pixar In General

Then again, how many jewsish people are actually complaining?

It's one thing to take legit words from various people, another is to take it from a single one

Edited by VengefulBale on Jul 21st 2020 at 1:33:37 AM

But the evidence given in the post really does boil down to noses.

The witch in Snow White isn't a Jewish stereotype in any other way. Mother Gothel... well, she kind of had stereotypical Jewish mother traits anyway, so that's firmer ground, but I still think it's kind of shaky.

Besides, I can think of stuff that actually fits the bill in the Disney library...

I assume not too many.

Edited by Aldo930 on Jul 21st 2020 at 1:35:08 AM

I'm not going to dismiss it out of hand either, though. I think we'd need more evidence one way or the other.

I'm in agreement to that. I don't see much evidence for it except the 'nose' bit and, while I've seen the 'Romani steal babies' stereotype discussed, I've never ever heard of that existing with anti-semetic jewish characters. If there's anything I've heard of, it's over-bearing over-protective Jewish mothers who want their boys to only marry good Jewish women... and that's a stereotype that I have never ever seen played with a daughter either.

(However, if I'm wrong, please do tell! I teach a class where these conversations come up frequently and I'd like the opportunity to clear a blind spot!)

While it is also valid for an audience to see something in a work or feel a certain way about something... that also doesn't inherently make it that thing? I remember back in old fandom days where people accused one character of being a homophobic troglodyte because he got pissed off and screamed at a gay character. While they had credence that, yes, the character did use a slur in his anger, they also... REALLY ignored that said gay character was also being extremely creepy and all but forcing himself onto his straight crush who clearly didn't feel the same way. But, ask those fans? Homophobe from day one because he wouldn't get with the gay guy. And used a slur which the show subsequently (and rightfully) called him out on for anyway.

Or, and this was one I remember a lot more vaguely because this was ages ago, but I remember one show that someone was upset that a black character was an 'Angry Black Man' stereotype and looked belligerent and scary... until someone pointed out that the same character is otherwise the nicest guy on the show and the entire point was that, yes, he was angry because he'd been dragged through shit all episode and the nice guy broke. Which also lead to a further discussion on how the show in question (again, this one I can't remember because I wasn't in the fandom for it) had a well developed black lead, but apparently one episode where the character shows a completely normal reaction to a bad situation and apparently all he was was a stereotype to some people.

It's kinda the problem with some stereotypes; too specific you let some genuinely problematic issues go and the concept is too narrow depending on the work-in-question's context (i.e. "They CAN'T be a Romani stereotype because they're not wearing jewelry and lots of colorful clothes!"... in a sci-fi setting where everyone constantly wears space suits") or, if it's too broad or overly reductive, too much starts to fall under the term without further examining the context (The aforementioned black man who was pissed off for a single episode, but ignored the characterization that had been developed across the previous seasons) and if the character actually is bad in anyway.

That is another issue entirely, namely that in order to avoid stereotypes, minorities are expected to behave like virtual saints. In those situations, a black man can never be angry for fear of the Angry Black Man stereotype, or a woman can never be feminine because that reinforces sexism. This is, incidentally, why older black jazz musicians all dressed in impeccable suits.

For feminism at least, this is a big part of third wave feminism, that just because certain behaviour has been traditionally stereotyped does not mean the behaviour should be taboo.

Just a few days ago, I saw some idiotic comment about someone who'd drawn a comic where a character wears white gloves. The commenter was declaring it racist explicitly because of the white gloves.

The character was a white person. Nothing about him was offensive in any way. But this person seemed to think that the white gloves made him a racist caricature.

The problem with stereotypes these days is people learn they're offensive, but don't learn why they're offensive. So you have people like this, who think "white gloves = racist" and that's that.

The stereotype that X Minority Group will steal your babies is interesting, because it kinda seems like it's repurposed from tropes of folklore and fairy tales. Many folktales involve elves, trolls, witches, bogeymen or some other supernatural beings stealing children and replacing them with one of their own — which is exactly what the Romani in Hugo's Notre Dame novel did with Esmeralda.

I feel like maybe those tales of children being snatched got mixed with prejudiced discourse about distrusted minority groups — or maybe those tales were themselves inspired by that racist discourse. In any case, it's probably not a stereotype that's specific to any one group — more likely it's applicable to a variety of alien-seeming "others".

Edited by DrDougsh on Jul 23rd 2020 at 10:01:01 AM

Just finished watching Christopher Robin,I liked it

• Rabbit sounded WRONG,I'm too used to the previous voice actor

• Piglet took awhile to get used to

• Pooh,Tigger,Owl had the best voices

I rewatched Alice in Wonderland. Man, that cartoon is still so much fun. Snarky Alice is great.

I noticed in the scene where the flower looks at Alice's "petals", Alice makes a weird little jiggle before pulling her dress away. I'm not sure what that was supposed to be.

Mulan remake delayed indefinitely; Avatar and Star Wars films pushed back a year and other films from Disney, 20th Century, and Searchlight originally scheduled for either September and October have been pushed back; Black Widow and Soul's release dates have not been touched, yet.

I bet Avatar 2 will be released by 2045 at this point

I assume you mean the blue cats one?

Ye

... there was a Star Wars film in production?

Probably in preproduction. I doubt we'll get another one for quite a few years.

I'm not surprised. Remember they had two trilogies planned back when they bought the series. They scaled it back, but I expect they wanted to cash in on the success of part IX.

Wonder how the proposed Bambi remake is doing at this point.

I'm not sure, but Bambi's probably the one animal movie that needs the photorealism treatment.

Didn't we already learn from the Lion King remake that realistic unemotive animal faces don't really work for these stories?

I don't really see why these cartoons need photorealistic live action remakes to start with.

Partially to capitalize on emerging markets, partially to protect their copyrights on these films.

I really think they should wait a while before doing another new Star Wars film. Don't put it out until, say, the middle of the decade at the earliest.

I'd be fine if we got a Star Wars film tomorrow as long as its good.

@Redmess I guess it kinda depends what direction they take. The Lion King was character driven but Bambi was meant to be more immersive and like an animated nature documentary with only mild bits of characterisation which might fit photo realism more. The midquel followed the Lion King's format more closely though.

I admit I wouldn't mind hearing Patrick Stewart as the Great Prince again though.

Edited by Psi001 on Jul 24th 2020 at 3:52:59 PM

> Patrick Stewart as the Great Prince

Him or Charles Dance

They'd be too old at this point.

Get someone who fits instead of just getting star power for nostalgia's sake.