It's ironic that the two actual canon movies are probably the most diluted in that area of depth. Not that they're bad, they're good hearted fun, but it's odd that the actual main projects aim lower scale in story telling.
Edited by Psi001 on Mar 2nd 2019 at 12:59:52 PM
I'm Sad Frogerson.
Yeah, I mean who the hell hates Winnie the Pooh?
Oh, right
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They are branching out, though—in other, unexpected ways. For example, Disney has commissioned its first adult animated series, which will stream exclusively on Hulu streaming.
I found an amazing Armchair Imagineering proposal for an overhaul to the Journey into Imagination, and the Imagination Pavillion in Epcot. The current version of the ride is dated and awful, and I love how this brings it closer to the original spirit, while still being it’s own thing.
PASSENGER VEHICLES each stop in front of a SCREEN. To the degree possible, passengers can only see the screen directly in front of their cars (e.g., baffles/partitions are in place, or moved into place, between each screen).
DREAMFINDER appears on the screens.
Each screen shows a different DREAMFINDER: one based on the original Ron Schneider portrayal, another based on the DISNEY KINGDOMS comic book (steampunk-style), etc. All recognizably DREAMFINDER, but all different. They all speak with the exact same voice.
DREAMFINDER: Ah! You've arrived! And I suppose you've seen some of the wonderful inventions highlighted out there in the Dreamport! They really say something about the imagination, because none of them existed before their inventor imagined them into the world! That's the beauty of imagination – if you can dream it, you can do it, and there are no limitations or restrictions on what you can imagine! The diversity and differences in our imaginations are what makes each of us so special, and what fills us all with the potential to create wonderful new things! Why, right now, I bet each of you is imagining a different version of what I myself look like! Which one is the real me? Well, I suppose we will have to wait and see!
SCREENS fade to black before the PASSENGER VEHICLES depart for the former "sound lab" area. This area is dimly lit with dim, colorful projected shapes slowly moving across the walls. These shapes are all vague, hinting at something but not quite revealing themselves.
SCENE TWO: FIGMENT
DREAMFINDER (voice): Let's get all of your imaginations working, quick as we can! I'll describe something I'm thinking of, and we'll see what your imaginations create!
Two tiny wings... eyes, big and yellow! Horns of steer... hmm, a loveable fellow! From head to toe... hmm, how about a royal purple pigment! And toss in a dash of childish delight, and what have we got?
Well? What are you imagining?
FIGMENT rises into view with an appropriate musical and sparkly lighting effects that convey the idea that he was just created.
FIGMENT: Helllloooooo!
DREAMFINDER (voice): Why, it's a figment of your imagination!
FIGMENT: That's me! I'm Figment, and you created me right from your own imagination!
DREAMFINDER (voice): You know, Figment, these are some powerful imaginations! I wonder what else they might have in there!
FIGMENT: Well, let's find out!
PASSENGER VEHICLES exit to "one little spark / of inspiration, is at the heart / of all creation" sung by FIGMENT and DREAMFINDER, and proceed into the former "sight lab" area.
SCENE THREE: THE DREAMALYZER
The room is dimly lit – as dark as possible without making it scary. Soft, ambient wash lighting only. The PASSENGER VEHICLES come to a stop around a circular STAGE, and the lights come up revealing it to be a stark, white cylinder stretching from floor to ceiling. As the PASSENGER VEHICLES are entering,
DREAMFINDER offers an introduction:
DREAMFINDER (voice): This is my Dreamalyzer! It's designed to collect some of the dreams, ideas, and figments running around inside your mind and bring them, briefly, to life. Shall we begin? Go ahead and start imagining a familiar friend that you'd like to see, right now!
This is a signature part of the attraction. The idea is that DREAMFINDER and FIGMENT will "collect" ideas from people's minds, shouting them aloud, and building some creation on-the- fly. Bright pinpoint spots "hit" each PASSENGER VEHICLE in turn, as if the spots are "extracting" an idea from someone in that vehicle. This all happens very rapidly. There should be several different possible programs, randomly selected. As the duo "grabs" dreams from people, projections on the white cylinder (which may just be a cloth curtain or a white scrim in a cylinder shape) will support whatever they've yelled out. So, if they "yell out," "Blue!" the cylinder will briefly feature an explosion of blue sparks. When they're done, the cylinder rises rapidly to the ceiling (or collapses if needed), and a fully dimensional result is revealed. The trick will be finding ways to have multiple different "fully dimensional results." As an example:
DREAMFINDER: Blue!
FIGMENT: Oh, I got furry!
DREAMFINDER: I hear laughter!
FIGMENT: Did someone think "kitty cat?"
DREAMFINDER: I'm getting horns, like on a bull!
FIGMENT: What's it all add up to, Dreamfinder?
DREAMFINDER: Well, it's certainly an imaginative-looking fellow!
[Cylinder rises to reveal Mike Sculley from Monsters, Inc. Projection mapping lets him wink an eye, as he says, "hey, Boo!"]
Or:
DREAMFINDER: Tall!
FIGMENT: Someone's thinking about something beautiful!
DREAMFINDER: Yes, beautiful but cold, too!
FIGMENT: Ooo, like snow in the wintertime!
DREAMFINDER: And magic, that's always from the imagination!
FIGMENT: Who is it, Dreamfinder?
DREAMFINDER: She's pretty recognizable!
[Cylinder rises to reveal Elsa, with a few notes from "Let it Go." Projection mapping lets her smile and say, "do you want to build a snowman?"]
It may be possible to do something clever with a turntable, with different characters mounted to the outer edge, rotating into position when there are no PASSENGER VEHICLES in this area at the moment.
PASSENGER VEHICLES exit into the former "smell lab" area.
SCENE FOUR: INSPIRATION BATTERY
PASSENGER VEHICLES enter an area that looks like some kind of steampunk battery facility. Looking for a long of bronze, pipes and knobs, analog gauges, and puffs of steam. Really going all-in on the detail.
DREAMFINDER (voice): This is one of my newest inventions: the inspiration battery! Sometimes when your imagination gets a little tired, inspiration can charge it back up again! A long walk, a hot cup of tea, or even some quiet time can help charge your imagination – or you can plug into my inspiration battery!
FIGMENT (voice): Let's do it, Dreamfinder!
DREAMFINDER: Okay everyone, close your eyes!
The lights go almost all the way down, and a deep bass rumble pervades the room.
DREAMFINDER: Activate!
A cacophony of sounds explodes – overlapping, but each distinct enough to leave an impression. These come from a dozen or more speakers, each one emitting a different sequence of sounds, so that the experience is different depending on where you're sitting. Different smells hit each PASSENGER VEHICLE, while a variety of colored strobes go off all over the room. This lasts for only a few seconds, and then the lights slowly fade up.
FIGMENT: Wow! I sure feel charged up now!
DREAMFINDER: To be honest, it makes me a little woozy sometimes, but it sure does get the imagination going. And we should probably be moving on, too.
PASSENGER vehicles exit to the former "transition area."
SCENE FIVE: IDEA STORAGE
This takes place in the area formerly showing the "sleep lab" and "laugh lab" doors, down to the "touch and taste lab" door. Figment is already waiting on the "loading dock." The area is decorated as an industrial warehouse, full of containers for different kinds of ideas: VEHICLES, COLORS, FUN GAMES, etc. Pipes carry brilliantly colored "sparks" from the ceiling into each container. Conceptually, this is where the old DREAM MACHINE'S "idea bag" is unloaded.
DREAMFINDER (voice): This is where I store all of the dreams, ideas, and figments that I've collected over the years. Whenever I feel the need to create, I can dip into these ideas and I'm ready to go!
FIGMENT: But Dreamfinder, what do you do if you don't have this much room just to store ideas?
DREAMFINDER: Why, Figment, ideas don't have to take up any space at all! Of course, you can always write them down, or share them with a friend, if you want to remember them later!
FIGMENT: But what happens if you forget an idea? Does it just go away?
DREAMFINDER: No, good ideas never truly go away. Our imaginations can always find them again! Sometimes, it just takes a little nudge to jog your imagination memory. Look, I'll show you...
FIGMENT: Oh, boy!
PASSENGER VEHICLES exit to former "Figment's House" area.
SCENE SIX: FIGMENTS OF IMAGINATION
PASSENGER VEHICLES move steadily through this area. It's dimly lit, but as DREAMFINDER and FIGMENT speak, various props light up brilliantly. Think less black light and more brighter-than- reality, perhaps enhanced with digitally mapped projections to create effects and minor illusions of motion. Fans, sounds, scents, and other practical effects enhance other suggestions made by the duo. The idea is to keep these very brief, but dimensional, surrounding, and immersive.
DREAMFINDER: Almost anything can generate a wonderful new idea in your imagination! A sight, a scent, a sound, a feeling—anything! And that can let you revisit an idea from long, long ago.
FIGMENT: Like the sensation of flying!
DREAMFINDER: Or sailing in space!
FIGMENT: Or what the color orange smells like!
DREAMFINDER: Or what it's like to ride a seahorse!
FIGMENT: Or what it feels like to be a tree! Oh, Dreamfinder, imagining sure is fun!
DREAMFINDER: Okay Figment, I think they're ready for our last big trick!
FIGMENT: You mean...?
DREAMFINDER: That's right! On to the Imaginarium!!
PASSENGER VEHICLES pass through a scintillating series of rainbow arcs (former "Figment footprints") and emerge into the former "finale" area.
SCENE SEVEN: THE IMAGINARIUM
PASSENGER VEHICLES come to a stop in front of the former "computer banks," now re- implemented as an edge-to-edge digital screen. FIGMENT flies in on the screen, and flies back and forth as he speaks.
FIGMENT: The Imaginarium is the best!
DREAMFINDER (voice): That's right Figment! Now, folks, all you have to do is concentrate your imaginations. Imagine colors! Shapes! And more!
As DREAMFINDER speaks, sparks of color and flying shapes whisk across the screen, inspiring Guests.
DREAMFINDER (voice): Now, hold your hands out in front of you, and push your imagination into the world! Let the Imaginarium capture it and... oh! Oh, Figment, they're doing it! It's happening!
An orchestral note builds as DREAMFINDER speaks, until it crescendos, and with a blast of air and strobe lights, the FINALE is revealed by the screen dropping down. It consists of dimensional, fantastic shapes – a 3D "splurge" of paint, a "swoosh" of light, and so on, all interleaved and overlapping. Practically, these are all white. Mapped projections are used to bring moving color and light effects into them, which are slightly different each time through. And in the center of it all is an animatronic Figment, leading a chorus of "Just One Spark." He is supported vocally by a scattered group of stylized Figments, done in the "Small World" doll style, each featuring simple mechanical movement.
DREAMFINDER: Amazing!
PASSENGER VEHICLES move into the EXIT TUNNEL. Most of the overhead is a digital screen, with FIGMENT flying around.
DREAMFINDER appears in the cockpit of the DREAM MACHINE, his physical appearance randomly selected from one of the ones originally shown in SCENE ONE.
DREAMFINDER: Figment and I are so glad you joined us for this little journey into your imagination! We hope you'll stick around in the Dreamport for a while longer and play some of the imaginative games that we've created for you! Oh, and case you were still wondering – this is the real me! At least, until I imagine myself as something else! (laughs)
FIGMENT: Goodbye everybody! Come again real soon!
DREAMFINDER: Goodbye!
PASSENGER VEHICLES continue into unload area and Guests exit to the DREAMPORT.
I love this because it brings back the fan favorite Duo of Dreamfinder and Figment, while still being realistic and doable, and keeping within the current footprint of the ride.
You can tell the current version is just the imagineers venting their frustration by making fun of Journey Into (Your) Imagination, but it really doesn’t work. The effects are horribly dated, and really needs some type of overhaul.
Edited by megaeliz on Mar 4th 2019 at 4:31:01 AM
Breaking News: Lilo and Stitch is getting a new live action movie!!!!!!
Disasturbator
Haven't we known that for a few months now?
"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
I've always thought that Lilo and Stitch never really got the credit it deserved for just how gorgeous of a movie it was.
I think Disney milking the franchise for all it's worth, has made people forget how good the original movie was.
Edited by megaeliz on Mar 4th 2019 at 8:52:03 AM
I love the hula scene. In fact I love how they use music in general.
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I love just how much the music MATTERS. The song Nani sings to Lilo before her scheduled removal by social services is a song the last Queen of Hawaii wrote on the eve of the US consuming Hawaii into its rank.
The Camp Crystal Lake Slasher
Is this because of Detective Pikachu? I think this is because of Detective Pikachu.
Jason has come back to kill for Mommy.
Disasturbator
I don't think it is,more like Disney is pushing with it's goal of live action remake
live action princess and frog when?!
New theme music also a box
You think they'll put Pudge's death scene back in?
The Protomen enhanced my life.
Professional Moldy Fig/Curmudgeon
After the live-action Frozen in a year's time.
No.
EDIT: I assume some of you know Amid Amidi is writing a biography of Ward Kimball. It now has a title:
"If It Ain't Fun, To Hell With It!: Ward Kimball's Adventures in Disney, Jazz, Trains and the Avant-Garde."
Edited by Aldo930 on Mar 4th 2019 at 8:04:20 AM
"They say I'm old fashioned, and live in the past, but sometimes I think progress progresses too fast."
Eventually they're going to run out of Disney Animated Canon films to do live-action remakes of and we get stuff like a live-action Donald Duck in Mathmagic land.
For anyone who hasn't seen it.
Personally, I'm looking forward to the inevitable live-make of Donald Duck and the Wheel. (Both of these shorts feature voices that should be familiar to a lot of Disney fans)
Edited by megaeliz on Mar 4th 2019 at 1:58:53 PM
The only reason why a live-action Frozen isn't on the table is that currently, there's way more money to be made from animated Frozen sequels. And let's be real here, there'll definitely be at least one more after Frozen 2.
Then they'll wait five to ten years and annonce a live-action remake of the first movie.
I was going to say it’d be funny if Frozen eventually beat Lilo and Stitch’s record for most amount of non-short films dedicated to a single Disney franchise (4), but then I realized with the live action Lilo and Stitch coming that would be unlikely.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Mar 5th 2019 at 5:33:17 AM
"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
I wouldn't watch any Disney live action remake in theatres.
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I'm still waiting for a live-action (well, CGI) Bambi. Docu-series are all the rage after all. I would have expected that before a live-action 'TLK or LatT''.
They probably won't be doing a Bambi remake for a long time.
Unless they take on the darker elements of the source material, or produce an actual proper sequel to the original continuity (but in live-action, of course), a remake/sequel is just gonna be a bland, diabetic retread.
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One thing I know about Pooh movies, is that they often know how to hit you in the feels.