Power Rangers as a whole

what really ruins power rangers for me is watching shows like Kakuranger and Carranger and realizing they are insanely funnier and wittier than what they became.

Yeah, that might be true. But I think there is one exception to that rule. Timeranger at least at the beginning is IMO not as good as Timeforce.

Keep in mind I'm only to episode 7 in Timeranger. So it could be massively better in the middle and end of the show. But the first episodes of Timeforce work better for a lot of reasons.

Well, from what I hear, Ransik is considered a FAR AND AWAY much stronger villain than the frog guy in Timeranger, which is why that character was reduced to a bumbling lackey on Time Force. Other than that, the two shows are practically identical.

Except the boring yellow ranger from Timeranger is changed into the kinda funny and super-strong Katie. But in turn the blue ranger in Timeforce became boring They removed the deadpan snarker tendencies and just replaced it with "This dude is cool". I don't know, I think there are actually quite a few differences in the first few episodes.

Edit: Though I must add, the music is better in Timeranger. When it's not the Timeforce theme the instrumentals just seem so flat, in Timeranger though they seem to have cool instrumentals for all sorts of situations.

edited 10th Mar '14 5:57:34 AM by Wildcard

Time Force had some really good acting which helps elevate it, especially from those playing Wes, Jen, Bennet Ransik and Eric. It admittedly lacks the shocking plot twist that Timeranger did but I still think it came up better because of how good the acting was and they made their character likeable and engaging (Especially considering how Power Rangers often saddles up with actors who aren't that good).

He is, but the frog guy is only the Disk-One Final Boss. The real Big Bad is Alex' sentai counterpart. The future Time red. He's the one that frees the frog dude and who makes sure the sentai counterpart to Frax turns evil.

And I fully agree on Super Megaforce Vs Gokaiger. Amazing how far the apple fell from the tree despite the fact they are mostly re-using the same episode plots.

edited 10th Mar '14 6:57:11 AM by CobraPrime

Yeah. Its nice that they have the same plots and didnt paper over stuff like the original names on the cards..but it just feels weird going "Uh/./the dairanger suits that are conveniently similar in design to the "classic" white ranger are "new powers never before seeeeeen"

because that just takes away from using the Gokaiger suits as a super mode if half their keys activate "other super modes"

edited 10th Mar '14 4:22:32 PM by midgetsnowman

It's like a very cheap knockoff with tons of underacting & it lacks all the crossover potential that I'm seeing in Gokaiger. I find it amusing that I'm into Gokaiger's past ranger show ups & all the interactions that come from there despite never having watched their seasons. Well that and I feel Gokaiger's team all have way more individual personality than Super Megaforce.

I still believe Troy is a robot.

I mean, he has less emotion than all the robotic Rangers in the past.

My guess? Since Saban was adapting two different Sentai where the Red Rangers had completely different personalities, they made him completely bland. ... No that's stupid. It's just a combination of bad direction and a bad actor.

Also, as someone has stated, why do they go into Mega form if you can just upgrade beyond that?

...I'm actually getting a little ticked off with how stupid this all sounds to me.

Explained already. They cannot hold their Legendary form for very long. It costs lots of energy to do so. Mega form does not drain their energy. At least anymore then their regular form does.

Ah, alright, I missed that, thanks. The concept makes sense, though what that results in still sounds stupid to me.

Honestly, I like it. Considering they already have too much power with every potential past Ranger, this is a good balancing tool. It forces them to converse and think smartly about which action to take.

Plus, Dairanger appearance~

I'd be fine with it if it didn't involve them going from Megaforce to Super Megaforce to Legendary all the time. They should've just came up with an excuse to get rid of the Megaforce setup, gone with the pirate suits for their primary usage & legendary given that justification why they cannot.

This.

Not to mention the Gokaiger suits aren't quite as awesome without Buggy the Clown voicing their weaponry and transformation systems.

or without them acting like a rather mercenary bunch of miscreants.

edited 11th Mar '14 6:11:04 AM by midgetsnowman

I love the Gokaiger suits (more so than the Goseiger ones), but yes, they should've dumped Megaforce. Remove the powers. Worst part is it'd have been easy, have Vekar destroy the powers on arriving. It'd make him a threat AND gotten rid of the powers AND saved them money since they don't need to re-shoot a bunch of fights with the Goseiger costumes.

And yes, the Super Megaforce guys are way more bland than the Gokeigers. At least Captain Marvelous had pizzazz and a cool name.

It is sort of funny how the rangers completely change demeanor and body language between their Megaforce form and Super Megaforce. Especially the Yellow ranger, since her Sentai counterpart's schtick involved her being really casual about everything. And a thief.

edited 11th Mar '14 6:17:22 AM by CobraPrime

I've thought the same on how awkward some things appear when in the Goukaiger suits in relation to personalities, especially with the green ranger. Or black or whatever. Doc's personality seems to be at a real contrast to.... whatever the hell his is supposed to be, for whatever little I've seen. Of course, I might be being too hard on them here, I didn't watch Megaforce to get a hang of these rangers, but from what I've heard & little I've seen now, they didn't have much to being with.

Though, to be fair, I COULD just be forgetting some things since they didn't do anything memorable to me. I think the black/green ranger has a thing for the yellow, maybe, but that's legitimately the only thing with specific characters & their identities I remember. Oh, that and blue is the Billy of this group.

edited 11th Mar '14 7:45:27 AM by Prime_of_Perfection

If Blue's the Billy, makes it weird he's saddled with Gokai Blue's "Im totally serious and humorless and the best swordsman in the universe Training Montage" episode. Haven't been able to see it, so curious how they change that.

edited 11th Mar '14 10:48:13 AM by CobraPrime

That's the problem with Stock Footage of course. :/

I agree, it doesn't match up all too well.

Also, they have somewhat used their old suits here and there, so they're not entirely useless. Definitely undershowed and does seem pointless, agreed.

I never saw anything but the Goseiger/Gokaiger Crossover movie, so I really can't compare the episodes to each other, nor have I seen the Japanese One Piece Anime, so sounding like "Captain Buggy" means little to me. I don't mind Gosei's voice.

And yeah, Troy is pretty much the blandest, although I do like the rest.

The Goseigers did have personalities, yes. The thing is. The Goseigers and Gokaigers had very different personality quirks.

Case in point

Gokai Yellow was a laid back, sarcastic thief.

Gosei Yellow was more of a somewhat inexperienced and childish take on The Big Guy

Gokai Red is a suave,calculating pirate captain

Gosei red is pretty much The Heart

having these characters played by the same people is downright jarring.

Pretty much what I'm also saying. It didn't match up. Jake is a little more comedic to a degree than the rest, at the very least, but still. Not enough.

That said, I do like that Jake actually was using the Snake stance in the Super Megaforce opening. Did anyone else take their animal's appropriate stance?

Also, small pet peeve; I wish for some of the Legendary transformations, they used past music a bit. Mostly during the finishing scenes. Or even when they pose. It felt a bit underwhelming due to that.(I know that doing that during Dairanger wouldn't have worked as well as the others. Although to be fair, it is a remix of the first MMPR theme, and Kakuranger/Alien Rangers is also a remix) Notably, I like there's a Legendary [Color] Mode for everyone.

I liked Time Force., although my suspension of disbelief was really, really shattered a couple of times, but that's par for the course.

I'm currently watchin' Gokaiger. I really don't see why this couldn't have been just adapted into a season in it's own right instead of bein' and 'upgrade' of Megaforce. We've had ninjas, samurais, emergency response teams, space police and time police themes, why not just a straight up Space Pirate theme? Havin' a Ranger team that was primarily motivated by money at the first and bein' composed of mostly aliens would've been interestin' to see.

On the other hand Megaforce is very much a homage to Mighty Morphin' and they are essentially doin' what they did with Mighty Morphin's proceeding seasons: giving the same team new powers.

Somethin' that I find especially jarrin' though is that they do not call out the obvious Pirate theme. Not even once. Not even a lampshade like 'Hey Gosei, why do we look like pirates?" "Because why not?". Hell they could just do what they did with Dairanger and say he borrowed them from another world.

Essentially doing it in the worst way possible. Well, not worst way, but in a really sub par way. And at least Mighty Morphin to Zeo had the decency to have an excuse why the Rangers couldn't use their old powers and what I remembered (as a kid, but whatever) as a cool build up with them all obtaining crystals.

Regardless, I do agree they should've stolen from Gokaiger's formula here. Make it a group of more anti-heroic characters & have their interactions with the past progressively make them grow as rangers & their responsibility. Plus get anyone who'd like to watch for nostalgia reasons by securing as many different people from the past as possible. From what I looked into, it seems like plenty of them were willing. Plus if they wanted to modify the storyline with current Megaforce team, positive way that can be thought up to justify them taking on the more pirate setup. Here, I'll try and half ass a concept real quick...

Uh... their Megaforce powers aren't enough against the invading empire. They're getting their asses handed to them. A group of rangers from space appear, space pirates, who had been rebelling against the empire up until now. Something comes up which ultimately forces to give up their powers or the new team inherits the pirate powers from them and they take up the cause. Or something.

But how would they explain why Gosei had the keys?

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...the Space Pirate Rangers were looking for them so they could battle the Armada. As Zordon's succesor Gosei was charged to keep a catalogue of the Ranger's powers so that one day they may be used if need be. Gosei hadn't realized they needed them. Now that they are incapacitated and the Gosei powers are drained or somethin' the Gosei Rangers take up the Pirate Powers as a last ditch effort to save the earth.

Suck it Power Ranger writers!

Actually would really like that explanation, it works well to bring them together or be interested at all.

...The sad thing is all of this I legit think those combined could actually work if executed right.