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doineedaname from Eastern US Since: Nov, 2010
#76: Nov 2nd 2013 at 7:27:43 AM

[up] It was mentioned before Leviathan showed up wasn't it? He wants to be able to get custody of his sister from his dug addicted mom and he needs a lot of money and a few other things to do so.

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#77: Nov 2nd 2013 at 7:53:18 AM

Yeah, yeah, it's a pity that he can't get that from the Wards. Also, his sister is a hilarious supervillain.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
gaunt88 from Australia Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
#78: Nov 9th 2013 at 5:00:55 AM

Man, saturday's epilogue was a bit of a roller-coaster ride, wasn't it?

I'm not even much of a shipper, but Dragon and Defiant finally getting their god-damn happy ending made my day. If there's a list of people who deserve to live happily ever after, those two (especially Dragon) would probably be at the very top.

TeChameleon Irritable Reptilian from Alberta, Canada Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Irritable Reptilian
#79: Nov 9th 2013 at 10:12:12 PM

Okay, Saturday's epilogue?

HELL yes. Dragon had one of the most brutal cases of Earn Your Happy Ending that I've seen for a while, and if there's anyone that deserved it, it's her. Defiant too, for that matter. Zeus to Hephaestus, heh. He started off as kind of a Jerkass, but by the end of the story, he's done some serious growing up. Good on him.

Iaculus Pronounced YAK-you-luss from England Since: May, 2010
Pronounced YAK-you-luss
#80: Nov 10th 2013 at 3:15:12 AM

Also, Teacher is so boned.

What's precedent ever done for us?
gaunt88 from Australia Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
#81: Nov 18th 2013 at 8:25:44 PM

Apparently, not quite so boned. I kept expecting/hoping for a dragon suit to come crashing through the wall like the kool-aid man during his epilogue.

Also, the very last chapter should be going up soon.

rmctagg09 The Wanderer from Brooklyn, NY (USA) (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
The Wanderer
#82: Nov 18th 2013 at 9:25:47 PM

So it's over.

Taylor LIVES! I wish her luck in all her future endeavors.

edited 18th Nov '13 9:30:52 PM by rmctagg09

Eating a Vanilluxe will give you frostbite.
gaunt88 from Australia Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
#83: Nov 18th 2013 at 9:51:58 PM

Hah, I knew it! Excellent, this pretty much deals with all of my remaining misgivings about the ending.

But, man, Grue has been dead all along? That makes a lot of the criticism he took in the comments for apparently chickening out of the final battle look pretty harsh.

rmctagg09 The Wanderer from Brooklyn, NY (USA) (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
The Wanderer
#84: Nov 18th 2013 at 10:27:27 PM

With what Bonesaw did to him, it didn't surprise me that he'd be incapable of fighting after seeing her again.

Eating a Vanilluxe will give you frostbite.
gaunt88 from Australia Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
#85: Nov 18th 2013 at 10:37:59 PM

Oh yeah, I never personally felt he chickened out. I thought that he'd been sort of oddly dropped from the story, but I could understand why he'd just go "nope" and shack up with Cozen.

gaunt88 from Australia Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
#86: Nov 19th 2013 at 7:52:28 PM

Copy-pasted from the chapter comments:

And so ends Worm, 1,681,859 words long. It consists of 513,923 Interlude words (those not from Taylor’s perspective). These make up approximately 30.56% of the story. The average chapter is 5551 words. The average Interlude is 6589 words.

The longest chapter is Scarab 25.3 (11193 words). The shortest is Insinuation 2.1 (1382 words). The longest Interlude is 26 (10772 words). The shortest is Interlude 4 (2782 words).

The longest arc is Monarch (92008 words). The shortest is Gestation (17446 words). The arc with the most words per chapter is Sting (8511). The arc with the least is Gestation (2492).

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#87: Nov 20th 2013 at 3:23:07 AM

So many words...

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#88: Nov 20th 2013 at 3:56:51 AM

So would you say it was good? I'm early in it.

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#89: Nov 20th 2013 at 3:59:45 AM

I'm up to colony. It has its ups and downs. It's still too grimdark and keeps missing out on clear opportunities to be fun and upbeat.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
gaunt88 from Australia Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
#90: Nov 20th 2013 at 4:09:53 AM

I'd say it's definitely worth reading those million-plus words tongue As mentioned above, it's got great worldbuilding and some really inventive powers, as well as a really well set-up Myth Arc.

As for missing out on being fun and upbeat... well, YMMV, I guess. It's not completely grimdark, it has a few light-hearted moments here and there, but, well, it's supposed to be a somewhat grim story.

Personally, I think grim stories are only bad if they devolve into grimderp, ie bad things happening purely to show how terrible and edgy things are. Worm is far from that, IMO.

edited 20th Nov '13 4:12:49 AM by gaunt88

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#91: Nov 20th 2013 at 4:17:43 AM

Yeah, but it's still Joss Whedon-esque in the misery it heaps on its characters. Also, the protagonist's love interest was literally Stuffed Into The Fridge.

edited 20th Nov '13 4:30:25 AM by TheHandle

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
gaunt88 from Australia Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
#92: Nov 20th 2013 at 4:27:49 AM

Two things - one, probably should spoiler that.

Two, I disagree with that last point. That doesn't happen at all. Stuffed in the Fridge occurs when a love interest is created just to be killed to make the protagonist upset and motivate them. That's not the case here.

edited 20th Nov '13 4:32:49 AM by gaunt88

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#93: Nov 20th 2013 at 4:31:10 AM

See, that's the problem with spoilers; I haven't gotten there yet. I meant the part where Bonesaw did her thing.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
gaunt88 from Australia Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
#94: Nov 20th 2013 at 4:33:56 AM

Bah, you're right, my mistake. I hate the spoiler-avoidance tango as well.

Iaculus Pronounced YAK-you-luss from England Since: May, 2010
Pronounced YAK-you-luss
#95: Nov 20th 2013 at 4:52:12 AM

I'd certainly argue that the Bonesaw thing doesn't count as Stuffed into the Fridge in anything other than a surface, literal sense. For a start, it's Brian who gets the powerup from it, not Taylor.

What's precedent ever done for us?
TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#96: Nov 20th 2013 at 5:01:14 AM

[up]One, you've made my spoilering moot by revealing exactly what was inside the spoilers. Two, I did say "the protagonist's love interest was literally stuffed into the fridge". Grue is not the protagonist. Brian got stuffed into the fridge. He survived it, but that's beside the point; his horroble suffering was used as a motivator for the protagonist.

Then again, anything involvng the Nine turns this into an Exploitation Tale full of gratuitous Gorn and Body Horror. Do we get to find out what Bonesaw's backstory is?

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
doineedaname from Eastern US Since: Nov, 2010
Iaculus Pronounced YAK-you-luss from England Since: May, 2010
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#98: Nov 20th 2013 at 5:26:21 AM

[up][up]I dunno, I think its impact on him was portrayed as more significant than its impact on Taylor. I mean, obviously, we saw a lot of it through Taylor's eyes, but she's the protagonist, and we don't count every case of something horrible happening to a protagonist's close acquaintances as Stuffed into the Fridge.

What's precedent ever done for us?
TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#99: Nov 20th 2013 at 5:57:45 AM

That's why it's a literal example, not an actual example, unless it counts as a Downplayed Trope.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
joeyjojo Happy New Year! from South Sydney: go the bunnies! Since: Jan, 2001
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#100: Nov 23rd 2013 at 5:55:24 AM

Just how 'hardcore' is this series any way?

I was kind of looking for something light...

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