RWBY General Discussion

Yeah My Grammar has some Issues. That's something of an Issue I have in real Life. Thanks for Rewriting it. And Thanks for saying my Entry wasn't bad! I like to Know I'm at least making Decent Contributions.

Yes there Really are some Fans who Legitimately say that. Most Notably Adel Aka and his fans. As said in this video at 6:30 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NkfOHUxmKJk

Edited by Kylotrope on Apr 26th 2019 at 11:57:50 AM

Good grief.

So thinking about it, there are a lot of discrepancies in the scene where Ozma gets his mission from the God of Light, particularly when it comes to the implication that Ozma was experiencing a conventional afterlife. The brief warning he's given about Salem seems to indicate that Jinn isn't showing us this out of chronological order; this is after Salem's corruption, and consequently a long time after the destruction of humanity; I don't buy that he wouldn't have known about the destruction of humanity and Salem's absence from the afterlife in the conventional sort of nice, universal afterlife lighthearted fantasy stories often have*, the huge number of new people showing up should have been a dead giveaway that an apocalypse happened, and some of them would have a better idea of what happened. (a bunch of people launched a rebellion against the Gods)


To me that seems to imply one of three things:


A. there's a second afterlife where people the Gods don't like go to be tortured for eternity, and everyone alive at the time of Salem's rebellion plus in all likelihood every human born since is damned to Hell, and at best they good ones among them will get to go to Heaven when and if Ozpin fulfills his mission.


B. The souls of those killed by the God of darkness were simply obliterated, which in turn implies there's no life after death for second generation humans.


C. Ozma has no memory of an afterlife, either because there isn't one or because of Death Amnesia, which could be because the Gods are hiding something.


* Incidentally, in a world where a universal afterlife exists which has less suffering than the mortal world, killing every sentient being is arguably a morally correct course of action if you can do it without causing too much suffering in the process (ie with a snap of the Infinity Gauntlet), and suicide is rational; that particular bit of Fridge Logic is IMO the likely reason why suicide is regarded as a mortal sin in Christianity.

Edited by CaptainCapsase on Apr 28th 2019 at 2:21:33 PM

The very mention of suicide being a sin makes my blood boil.

But to adress the topic: I think that afterlife is just supposed to be a place where you are not truly concious, thus Ozma didn't have any memories from it. It seems like the least complicated explanation, though I would like it more if the afterlife was some kind of Eldritch Location.

Yeah, I'm personally hoping for an unconventional and potentially rather messed afterlife, ie one like Divinity where the souls of the dead are slowly stripped and harvested by the Gods to sustain their deific power and immortality, except for the handful of "worthy" souls in the good graces of the Gods, with Ozma being one such person. Were I writing this I'd have it so souls naturally reincarnate, which essentially makes it so both the God of Light and Salem were partially right; GoL about how life and death are important (because resurrections and immortality require permanent sacrifices of power that can only be gained through the creation and subsequent destruction of new life) and Salem about how unfair it is; the Gods in this scenario are consigning virtually everyone to oblivion to put themselves and the chosen few who they favor above the cycle of life and death.

Edited by CaptainCapsase on Apr 27th 2019 at 7:45:04 AM

What's your definition of a 'conventional afterlife'?

Harps, choirs, and togas?

That's too heavy speculation, and I'd assume he's saying typical Judaic-Christian heaven, where it's idyllic, peaceful and happy.

There was a Q&A with Team RWBY VA at LVL UP Expo here are here are there answers [1] [2]

Sorry you have to look for the answers people are still transcribing things and so far no bullet points. Edit. found some bullet points [3]

Edited by Ryno_v on Apr 28th 2019 at 7:18:52 AM

*Abrahamic, the term Judeo-Christian has Islamophobic undertones, but yes, that's more or less what I mean by a conventional afterlife, the Word of Dante trope of heaven, though my mental image was more some idyllic Arcadian paradise ala the "nice" version of afterlife of Greek Mythology.


Incidentally, the exact nature of the afterlife in the Abrahamic religions is rather vague, both for the good and bad versions; heaven can be interpreted as anything from a literal physical paradise to unification with god in the sense of an Assimilation Plot, which is kind of creepy IMO. Hell on the other hand can be fire and brimstone, eternal despair as a result of being separated from God, or Cessation of Existence.


My thinking was that it would be a mix of both columns; only the worthy few (ie a legendary hero like Ozma) even get an afterlife and its the typical sort of paradise after death. Meanwhile the rest of humanity doesn't even get an afterlife, with their souls being consumed as fuel to sustain the Gods' power and immortality. Every human alive at the time of Salem's rebellion fall into this second category, and the same fate awaits every second generation human until Ozpin completes his mission. Meanwhile, the Faunus, being an aberration of the Gods' design, are shit out of luck and not eligible for the Gods' offer of redemption in the first place.


Learning about this could potentially be a catalyst for a full on Villainous BSoD from Salem if as I suspect her goal is to steal the Gods power so she can raise her children (and if there's anyone else she cared about beyond Ozma them too) from the dead, and for her followers as well since I suspect the promise of being able to see departed loved ones again, and being raised from the dead upon her victory if they perish in her service is a big part of her pitch.

That kind of afterlife has always struck me as odd; functionally that's no different from Cessation of Existence if everything you are as a person is gone or in stasis forever. Narratively I find it rather boring, and kind of a copout to avoid having to go into any detail whatsoever about a really fascinating aspect of a fantastic setting's cosmology without settling on the rather depressing (if highly plausible*) Cessation of Existence or just leaving the question unaddressed (the most Like Reality, Unless Noted option), but that's not an option in a setting where All Deaths Are Final isn't in effect.

* To the extent that we can even approach the question by demonstrating that consciousness, personality, and memories are localized to the physical substrate of the nervous system.

Edited by CaptainCapsase on Apr 28th 2019 at 3:52:28 PM

So, I modified RWBY's examples on Web Original DILP page, removing Cordovin's and Raven's entries and rewriting the remaining ones from scratch. I allowed myself to further rewrite Kylotrope's entry so that it clearly separates the fans who wish Adam was sympathetic from the fans who already see him as sympathetic.

I also wrote Adam a Villain Whitewashing Service entry, one that I am quite proud of and ashamed of at the same time.

RWBY After the Fall has an synopsis and a preview [1]

after reading the preview we can add dangerous animals to the RWBY world or at least something call mole crab.

synopsis

Trouble is brewing . . .

After Beacon Academy fell, Coco, Fox, Velvet, and Yatsuhashi made a vow: No one else is getting left behind. It's been more than a year since Team CFVY saw their school destroyed by the creatures of Grimm, their friends felled in battle or scattered across the world of Remnant. Since then, they've been settling into life at Shade Academy in Vacuo, fighting hard to finish their training so they can find their friends and save their world.

When a distress message comes into Shade, asking for huntsmen and huntresses to defend refugees from a never-ending stream of Grimm, Team CFVY answers the call without hesitation. But in the heat of the desert, they're forced to relive their former battles, both from the fall of Beacon and from everything that came before.

Don't miss this exclusive original story straight from award-winning author E.C. Myers and RWBY's head writers, Kerry Shawcross and Miles Luna!

Edited by Ryno_v on May 5th 2019 at 9:17:05 AM

The reason I ask is because, even when someone depicts an Abrahamic view of an afterlife, perceptions and conceptions vary so wildly, that it's so difficult to genuinely claim there's any 'conventional' vision of an afterlife at all, that it may as well be an exercise in having to avoid discuss the detail of one's perception (or perhaps even the uniqueness).

Besides, I like seeing how people would design an afterlife if they were writing a story.

My point, in short, is that I don't subscribe to the idea that there is such a thing as a 'conventional' afterlife in storytelling beyond the very vaguest 'Authors tend to use, as a baseline, imagery and terminology that is found in the dominant religious beliefs of the culture that most influences their upbringing (usually, but not always, the one their family and/or community has raised them in)'.

And that truly is vague.

This is a good example of why I needed to ask. For example, Christianity does not automatically lead one to the conclusion that only the worthy would enter the afterlife, and the rest of humanity don't get a look-in. However, certain fringe sects of Christianity (almost all regarded as 'cults') do engage in that kind of interpretation as an explicit method of retaining the loyalty of the members of the cult to exclusion of the rest of society (including the rest of Christianity).

By contrast, a much more mainstream Christian view is that absolutely everyone goes to an afterlife (most will get Heaven, some will get Hell — some versions of Christianity will include a purgatory as well, but even this can vary from the more temporary 'judgement areas' to making 'purgatory' interchangeable with Hell, which isn't exactly accurate Christian theology, but there you go).

I, personally, would therefore never describe the idea of only a worthy few getting to the afterlife and no-one else as 'conventional afterlife', and certainly not if we were discussing something that was Abrahamic (especially, for the same of locational argument, Christianity).

If I had to describe in broad and generalised terms what my perception of a 'conventional afterlife' is, it would be that everyone has access to an afterlife, but there may be grades of state or outcome depending on the religious moral codes that people associated with that belief could experience; they therefore may not experience the same state or outcome as each other after death, but they all experience something.

The entries look fine to me.

You know after seen eruptfang video.....I think he kinda have a point in how Illa remind me to a softer and resonable version of adam: red head, crush on blake, extremist, preach the oposite thing of blake and so own.

is intersting because she was the one who engage in ideological clash against blake while adam treat thing as spat between the two.

that wasn’t my idea of a “conventional” afterlife, it was an unconventional afterlife concept I threw together by mixing the annihilationism interpretation of hell (no afterlife for the wicked, which is not mainstream but also not uncommon) with the really exclusive “good” afterlife for heroes found in classical mythology, though I feel like there’s almost certainly at least one if not multiple historical mythologies that work this way. That was meant to gel with how the Gods of RWBY came across as being somewhere between classical mythology and more “modern” mythologies.

Really what I meant by a conventional afterlife was “life after death which is fundamentally similar to life before death but all in all more pleasant.” That as opposed to more mystical Ascended to a Higher Plane of Existence afterlives that cannot be comprehended* while more consistent with how contemporary believers tend to view the afterlife, aren’t something you can portray in fiction.

* Allegedly. I feel that this angle is guilty of the same cynicism of humans’ cognitive capabilities as the Cosmic Horror genre, and thus shares the same challenges when it comes to pulling it off.

Edited by CaptainCapsase on May 6th 2019 at 10:13:57 AM

@Unknowing

Part of me has actually been Wondering if Illia was Inspired by fandom depiction of Adam before volume 3/Complaints that Adam could have been a Well-Intentioned Extremist. By creating a Charachter who Was Essentially everything people Thogut Adam was before volume 3. So they could have a Charachter who was like that while still keeping the actual Adam how he was.

Yeah, in fact Illa could be pass as Adam sister or something like that and nobody would have bat and eye(I feel that would have made Illa loyalty for adam stronger) I feel she is kinda a middle point between him and Blake.

Is not surprising now that Illa was the ideological oponent to Blake, which if anything make Adam redunant

Yeah, and Raven could be their mother. That would have been a different sort of story.

RWBY Amity Arena just add Adam to the game and gave us some back story on him he use to work in the SDC mines. [1]

Edited by Ryno_v on May 9th 2019 at 7:40:29 AM

I like that description quite a lot. A real shame that at the end of the day Adam was more focused on getting back at Blake than on burning humanity down.

Also, since it is now confirmed that SDC is essentially practising slavery, I can confidently say that Ghira is freaking useless. Discrimination is one thing, but with that crap thrown into the mix, "slow progress" becomes synonymous with "letting people die because it's convenient". Just don't fall off your moral high horse, Mr. Pacifist.

Edited by Tharkun140 on May 9th 2019 at 2:53:02 PM

"Adam Taurus used to gaze up at the sky with bright blue eyes whenever he could, between shifts in the dust mines, dreaming of the day he would leave the tunnels behind to find his place in the world. But what he found instead was himself… on the ground, staring up at the three letters that damned him now and forever. Scarred. Despised. Cold. Adam’s heart grows black, his hatred red hot. The final traces of love, the beauty he let go, never returns, and as the last petal falls, Adam is cursed to forever remain a beast. Because, in this tale as old as time, there is no happy ending. In this story… HE is the monster. Adam Taurus had finally found his place, and he would watch humanity… burn.

"

.......and he got stabed.....

Oh boy wasted chararter dosent even begun with him, isnt?.

I've been rewatching the first volume, and wow Ruby's voice is so different from how it is now. Lindsey Jones hadn't developed a unique voice for the character yet, though whenever Ruby is excitedly gushing about something you can hear a little bit of how she currently sounds.

Edited by marston on May 11th 2019 at 4:01:20 AM

I really miss those times. Ruby's Volume 2 voice fits the character best in my opinion - nowadays, she is basically screeching whenever she opens her mouth.

So the VAs' favorite volume is 5. Huh.

I'm not going to post the video about it because it gets a little self-indulgent for my tastes, but Acefish is no longer making those "Welcome to the RWBY Fandom" comics because's he's leaving the fandom.

I'm saddened, but not entirely surprised. Especially considering the last comic.

Actually, since Barbara went "love it or leave it", I'm surprised more people haven't done that.