Fallout 4

Believe that's from Nuka-World.

So like. I was just strolling along

Walked past Covenant

Door wide open

Forget that i haven't taken the Goat yet this playthrough

Stroll casually through door

Everyone turns hostile

Party forced to defend self

Everybody hates me now

Wtf game

...is it possible to attack their little hideaway without starting the quest in Covenant?

I dunno know.

I think so but i didn't

I hope it's possible. This is a series known for reacting to sequence breaking, after all.

Yeah, Bethesda games are at their best when you can take a non-straightforward approach, and the game plays out accordingly. Unfortunately, that seems to have peaked with New Vegas, and even that had a lot of possibilities that weren't fleshed out. Probably down to being rushed, I guess.

I remember the first time I just made Diamond City hostile. It makes sense that a lot of the companions leave you for overt murder, but in practice it works out a lot weirder.

Piper: *shoots and kills several citizens*

Piper, seconds later: How could you do it, Blue?

Edited by Lavaeolus on Sep 4th 2019 at 7:16:01 PM

It gets worse. I had a mod that lets me keep my whole posse with me.

I've used a mod like that before. All sorts of fun ensued. And then you realize it doesn't work out quite like you'd hoped, because half the time even if you're on the back line the big nasties STILL home in on you instead of your allies who are doing way more.

It helps to have picked up all the stealth magazines or taking all the ranks of stealth

That would help, yes.

Whatever one might say about the direction Fallout has gone in - this is still an incredibly moving introduction.

So I’ve been playing with some mods lately and just now I discovered an issue. I have all 3 ranks of Scrapper, but for some reason the game apparently thinks I don’t have any. I scrapped a bunch of weapons and armor and only got basic components out of them.

The thing is, I have absolutely no idea what mod is causing this issue since I don’t have any that affect my perks at all.

Probably time to troubleshoot then. Might not be able to keep that save, since disabling and re-enabling mods during a campaign can be detrimental.

Finished a run with the Institute, again. The Railroad are still alive, thanks to a mod, but the Brotherhood of Steel has been obliterated, including Danse, and that irritating prat Garvey is still caged up in the Museum of Freedom in Concord and he can bloody well stay there as far as I'm concerned! I guess you have to be American to really see the point of, or even tolerate, the Minutemen faction because I certainly don't.

And since I've built up Sanctuary Hills to a point where I have about 24 Settlers thriving with more food than they could eat, more water than they could drink and more Heavy Machine-gun Turrets, Laser Turrets and Spotlights providing defence for them than you could wave a pointy stick at, I don't want the Garvey-led mob squatting and taking advantage of all my hard work.

I haven't really touched the DLC apart from the one where the Mechanist shows up, even though I'm level 100 and quite a bit. Heck, I haven't even gone to the Castle yet.

But I'm still having fun, and as far as I'm concerned, that's the whole point of the game. Though it did take me a long time to get there.

The minutemen isn't uniquely American. The minutemen faction are the only faction that care about the people of the commonwealth. Everyone else is only after resources.

You have to be American to understand the faction that actually gives a damn about people? Yeah okay buddy

Oh, my Soley cares about people. I do too, for a surprisingly large amount of that sentiment for a person with my ASD.

I just don't care enough about the reason why the Minutemen exists to feel like doing another run as them - their raison d'etre is obviously set around a Second American Revolution getting started, and I'm from the country whose troops are the reason why the White House (then known as the Presidential Mansion) is white - having burned it during the War of 1812 - Go 21st Royal North British Fusiliers!

It's just another example of Fallout's repeating of history.

At least the Insitute is doing something new, even though the way that they have gone about it isn't something that I'm altogether comfortable with, and we probably won't get a game set around changes made by a new Institute Director who happened to come from the outside and decided to alter some of the more shady practices.

The Minutemen are just a glorified mutual defense pact that prefers hand-cranked laser weapons to ballistic weapons (without even the justification that cranking a laser musket recharges the power cell, making up for a shortage of ammo). And the Commonwealth is in such an anarchic state that there's no one for them to really revolt against.

I guess you could cast the ten-minute Minutemen-Brotherhood War as a revolution against imperialist overlords, except it's entirely optional, and we don't otherwise see the Minutemen and BoS clashing over control of the Commonwealth in-game. The Minutemen blowing up the Institute in their ending doesn't quite work either, because the Institute aren't ruling the Commonwealth, just constantly destabilizing it, so that'd be more like... I dunno, the colonial militias fighting a native tribe? And the "natives" in this case live underground and can teleport?

Um, very definitively no? They're just local militias banding together to protect their homes from raiders and such; there's no grand design or goal beyond that. They use American iconography because the region they live in has a shitload of American history to it. What would they even be revolting against?

Edited by Dirtyblue929 on Nov 2nd 2019 at 2:19:18 AM

I liked the Minutemen because I liked there was a faction that revolved entirely around trying to help others and build civilization, contrasted with a world where doing just that was an uphill battle that made choosing to do so the ken of fools and underdogs. There being essentially a subplot where you create a network of connections was one of the cooler parts of my first play through, and thematically they mesh very well with the later concept of the Railroad (and the themes of the games in general) - so much so that I’m a surprised their plot lines didn’t intersect.

Along with Nick Valentine, Preston Garvey is maybe my favorite non-villain character in the entire Fallout series, and I remember being rather baffled when I first looked into the fan base and saw how widely he was hated.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Nov 2nd 2019 at 6:06:49 AM

I mean, he's no Old Longfellow, but people actually hate Preston? Seems like a... strong reaction, for one of the most genuinely decent characters in the game.

...What I did kind of hate is that you can't convince him to take on the role of General himself, though, and/or have him be the one delivering those speeches and warnings over Minuteman Radio. I'm definitely sick of always ending up leader of every guild I join in any Bethesda game, and the Garrus-alike character giving me the whole "no, please, I could never be a leader like YOU are" act.

Edited by Unsung on Nov 2nd 2019 at 7:25:19 AM

People hate him because of his radiant quests. It's just memetic Most Annoying Sound.

That makes more sense.

The Minutemen get their theme from the sorts of militias that fought in the revolution, rather than the revolution itself. They're a volunteer militia formed of armed citizens who can take quick action against threats. They're not specifically La Résistance per se, though. They're closest to being first responders and police. Similar to how you call the cops when you're in trouble, a wastelander would call the Minutemen.

I personally really want to like The Minutemen, as they're essentially anti-raiders. They're actually one of the biggest examples of a faction in a post-apocalyptic setting doing the moral and reasonable things necessary to rebuild civilization. This amuses me, as they're both wide-eyed idealists, but also the "only sane man".

The problem they have, however, is less anything story-wise and more that they're the faction which makes the most use of radiant questing and settlement building. If you're not into either of those, they're not the faction for you. However, this is less a problem with The Minutemen and more with the game itself being a little too much of a sandbox. It often uses generic settlements, expecting the player to make them interesting. Indeed, the intention is probably to give the player freedom to make the settlements whatever they want. However, the problem with this is that the player doesn't care about them enough to bother if they're just generic settlements.

@Unsung I agree to that, too. It's a little contrived that Preston would just give up his position to the Sole Survivor so quickly, for a few reasons. For one, he actually is pretty decent leadership material, and knows a lot more about the traditions of the Minutemen than the Sole Survivor. Plus, he also is the one sending the Sole Survivor on quests all the time, so he might as well be your boss.

Edited by Protagonist506 on Nov 2nd 2019 at 6:40:18 AM