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I treat all living things equally. That is to say, I eat all living things

I am a Leninist. Not the later-Soviet definition of "Leninist", which is basically imperialist wrapped in a red flag, but a Leninist sharing the ideals of the October Revolution. However, in my country (Russia) that's rare, and most Communists here are either Stalinists or bastardized Stalinists who seem to enjoy everything bad about Stalinism while not getting the rare good thing.

Hey, aurora! As you might have noticed, I'm an anarcho-communist. I do believe you're the first leninist we've had here. It's nice to meet you. :) I personally have problems even with early leninism (honestly, I find trotskyism slightly better, but only slightly), though, when compared to stalinism, I definitely find leninism to be much, much, much better. (I really don't like stalinism.) *Offers hand to shake or something.*

I hope all people here are aware that Lenin wasn't a nice guy? He didn't give a fuck what atrocities his soldiers committed while invading Ukraine (which independence got brutally destroyed. Both Petlura's and Makhno's Ukraine) and Poland (Lenin claimed that road to German revolution leads through the corpse of Poland).

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I'm very well aware that Lenin was horrible. He hijacked the Russian Revolution and crushed the Free Territories (which, I should noted, was not "Makhno's" anymore than it was anyone else's.

Anyway, this is Katsura, the token capitalist in this thread.

edited 9th Jun '13 2:21:08 PM by deathpigeon

Hey, peeps. Haven't checked in here before, but as the token libertarian socialist around here I think that it's my obligation.

I'll hide your name inside a word and paint your eyes with false perception.

Neither was Petlura's, but both where military leaders of the two parts of Ukraine.

While I don't agree with luksemburgists, I have more respect for her in that Luksemburg didn't attempt to establish communism by force. Lenin, I feel, covered up desire of Bolsheviks to take back what Russia lost in Brzesc treaty with rhetoric of revolution. He disregarded wish of neighboring nations to self-determination in his hubris. I think that even if he succeeded in reaching Germany even local socialists and communists wouldn't be amused with that prospect, especially given negative attitude of luxemburgists towards leninists.

edited 10th Jun '13 3:51:45 AM by CaptainKatsura

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I'm a libertarian socialist (of the anarcho-communist variety) as well. So is Cassidy, another regular in this thread. Honestly, in this thread, the libertarian socialists outnumber the non-libertarian socialists, so you're no longer token, you're the majority. Anyway, hi~

And anarcho-communists would never have done that. The Free Territories didn't do that. They fought the White Army, yes, but that was a self-defensive war. Similar with the anarchists in Spain. They didn't force others to join them, and only fought self-defensively.

edited 10th Jun '13 12:13:17 PM by deathpigeon

I'm still not sure what label fits me yet. Most of the stuff I like gets labeled socialist, so I tend to go by that. But from the looks of this thread, it's a bit more complicated than that.

I brand myself Liberal who is for freedom of business and limited government, and against unrational social spending. There are two things I find it dangerous to cut spending on and they are internal security and armed forces. Army both should be numerous enough to protect the land, and flexible enough to protect democracy abroad from being trampled on. Police should be able to protect the citizens from mafia and terrorists.

My ideal that won't come true in near future is building a federation of Central and Eastern European countries (within or without European Union) modeled on ideals of the Commonwealth of Nations (the original Polish one, not that pathetic British rip-off) which could safeguard the region against stronger powers, no matter the direction they come from. While the original Commonwealth consisted of Poland, Lithuania, Belarus, Latvia and Ukraine, I'm for membership of Hungary, Slovakia, Czech Republic and other southern countries that could be willing to join.

edited 10th Jun '13 1:49:28 PM by CaptainKatsura

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I'm not a leninist, but I don't see the point in telling us that Lenin "wasn't a nice guy", as it's not very descriptive. Certainly he was authoritarian and crushed many other factions. And many figures are not to be idolized so much as having some understanding of their context.

I treat all living things equally. That is to say, I eat all living things

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenin%27s_Hanging_Order

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Generally, I brand myself as a radical or an anarchist and only get into the details if I'm in an in depth conversation on this sort of thing.

Marxist-Leninist here. *Salutes* I'm glad there's a thread here for Communists....mostly offline when I start talking about politics I get weird stares, and/or get in a shouting match with hardheaded religious conservatives a.k.a. my relatives. This is why polite people don't discuss religion and politics at the dinner table

"Suddenly, as he was listening, the ceiling fell in on his head."

I never said Lenin was nice. But come on folks, this was a fracking Civil War. Anyone participating in a Civil War is either a respected conqueror or a nice, but soooo dead guy. In a war like this one, you either commit war crimes or have them committed at you; there is neither honor nor law nor custom in a war like that one. And Lenin mellowed out after the war was over. The same cannot be said about Stalin; he kept being a bloodthirsty fuckjob long after there wasn't any credible threat to USSR's existence (WWII in fact made him a little more sensible than usual).

As for Lenin not caring about sovereignity of nations, especially newly independent ones, that was kinda the point. I, too, believe that elimination of the concept of independent nation-state is a necessary stepping-stone to communism, and balkanization is a throwback towards more primitive kinds of capitalism, which was bad enough in the XX century and downright historically suicidal in the current one.

As for Trotsky, the main obstacle for me being a Trotskyist is doubt that the guy was really sincere with everything he wrote, and some facts supporting the notion that he wasn't.

edited 13th Jun '13 6:37:09 AM by aurora369

Killing people for merely being owners of property is what we call a war crime.

Self-determination of nations is something tyrants trample on, since if the nation wills to be independent it is its right to establish country of its own. Polish-Soviet war saw people of all classes fighting off Bolshevik hordes (who raped, killed and robbed civilians) in defense of their freedom.

edited 13th Jun '13 10:28:13 AM by CaptainKatsura

My President is Funny Valentine.

@Kesar: Luckily, my roomies were open to my communism enough that I was able to make them communist.

Anyway, hi~ Welcome to this thread!

@aurora: So he was fighting the concept of the nation-state and capitalism with his ignoring the self-determination of the Free Territories in Ukraine which was neither a nation-state nor capitalist but, indeed, anarchist and communist? I'm sorry, but we cannot force people by the sword (metaphorically) to become communist. That never ends well. Inevitably, it leads to mass hate of communism by the people we forced to be communist, mass atrocities on our part, and instability of the communism as a result of the former two problems. Self-determination is not just some pretty little capitalist concept we can ignore when it is convenient. It is something we must respect.

I do have to agree with you entirely on Stalin, though. He gives communism a bad name.

By the way, while I respect self-determination my ideal is to build federation of states in place of current Central and Eastern European states, but only if the people wish to join it voluntarily. There is a local historical precedence in form of Commonwealth of Two Nations, but I find federation of Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia and Hungary more plausible. We have very good relations with them, especially with Hungary. And there were plans in 1940s to form federation of Poland and Czechoslovakia, but of course Stalin enslaved half of Europe and that couldn't happen.

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I have a tendency to go commie too, both in IV and V. Though that's not just because of my Real Life ideology, I also consider the perks to be the best.

Laws are made to be broken. You're next, thermodynamics.

To get the ball rolling, Luxemburgist here; on the other hand I suppose I've made an alliance with the resident Trots for the time being.

Chiming in here as someone a bit outside the purview of this thread, but Luxemburgism has always struck me as the most appealing of the more traditional schools of post-Marxian thought. An emphasis on democracy and self-determination and a full-throated denunciation of authoritarianism and totalitarianism are, to my mind, essential to any practical and morally sound conception of socialism, and Luxemburg really was beautifully vehement in her disgust for the Soviet hegemony. She really was a very cool lady.

That said, I have some very serious issues with orthodox Marxist thought when it comes to concepts like Gattungswesen and particularly the Lumpenproletariat, which is just astonishingly classist horseshit.

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edited 5th Apr '18 4:59:21 PM by SantosLHalper

Worker-Tropers of the world unite! Well anyway, I'd describe myself as an Egoist-Communist (details about it in these links: https://nihilestabyssum.wordpress.com/2015/04/26/on-egoist-communism/ http://libcom.org/library/right-be-greedy-theses-practical-necessity-demanding-everything) In terms of revolutionary practice I find myself leaning towards the councilist tendency (which is quite similar to anarcho-communism, which I used to support, although an attempt to implement it would inevitably require that it adopt the functions of the state to push back against counter-revolutionaries and organize against other states, so we might as well just acknowledge it). I'd say there's a lot more reading I need to do into communist theorists before I can really say I'm informed about what positions I take, but I think that what I know now holds up quite nicely. Have any of you heard of the author Max Stirner by any chance?

Ah long time, I thought this thread was gone for too long, Any who I'm a Marxist-Leninist (well according to various quizzes) and a socialist democrat (political compass quiz)

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Me, I ain't a communist.

Not out of political reasons, of course. I can kinda get behind the ideological basis of Communism but has actually implementing Communism seems to have always resulted in...less then ideal governments and societies.

SSSSSSSSSSSSOOOOOOOOO...I guess that's my question: can the Communist ideology actually be practically implemented? Has it ever?

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