Shingeki no Kyojin/Attack on Titan (Manga Discussion)

People are calling Gabi an Mary Sue due to some of the crazy stuff she has pulled despite still being an human kid. I find this complaint pretty stupid considering the original premise for this series was teenagers spidermanning around medieval towns with complicated machines against smiling naked men that would eat them alive.

I never really got the fandom's obsession with Sasha myself. She had one small arc to herself, that was it.

Her popularity came from being the comic relief in a dark story, and since the anime was The Hottest Shit Ever™, she became the fandom's resident Fountain of Memes. That one arc was a result of her popularity, not the other way around.

Plus she hasn't really done anything to be hateable, so even at her worst she's merely inoffensive.

Edited by JRads47 on Jul 15th 2019 at 5:52:00 AM

She was meant to die on that mini-arc, and her popularity kept her alive through it, but we had known since then she was on borrowed time.

Gabi is impressively talented, yeah. But she's the top of her class, that was part of the central conflict involving Falco and Reiner not wanting her to become a Warrior. And unlike Eren and Reiner, she has the talent to back up her insane drive. Which has exploded in her face since it allowed her to do so much damage before having her rude awakening. I'm still waiting for her to realize she killed Reiner's Potato Thief.

Definitely not buying Eren being 100% dead. Not when we've already seen that its possible to survive decapitation, at least temporarily. And certainly not after Zeke's resurrection, no way does Eren die when Zeke came back thanks to Paths. I'm hoping we get an exposition-y chapter within the Paths with Eren, to finally explain this whole mess.

I understand that and I like her but I don't get the hate for Gabi for killing her. The whole situation the Eldians are in where they have to kill each other to possibly survive is awful and sadly Sasha was just a casualty of it and Gabi just happened to be the one that literally pulled the trigger. It's horrible but that is war for you. People also forget that half of Gabi's friends died indirectly due to the Survey Corps (mostly due to Eren but she was a kid and of course wasn't going to see it that way at the time).

I think this might be a setup to reveal Eren's grand plan and what his thoughts were on everything that has happened. We haven't seen any hint of what his perspective is for quite a long while.

Also remember that Sasha had the chance to shoot Gabi and chose not to.

So Gabi being the one to kill her (when they'd practically escaped with their lives unscathed at that) comes off as her being punished for her moment of mercy.

It just seems extra cruel for her to die at the hands of the person she chose to spare.

The fact that Gabi went out of her way to do it (by insanely following them up to the blimp) makes it worse.

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Gabi shot into a crowd of people if I recall correctly. She wasn't specifically aiming for Sasha, she just wanted to hit someone because at that time as far as she knew all of the Walldians were evil devils.

The fact she did kill Sasha out of everyone I am pretty sure is just meant to be purposefully tragic.

Fair enough.

It was an extra punch in the gut.

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Sasha also did shoot the gate guards, who were one of the few (comparatively) non-asshole Marleyans. They were nice to her. So Gabi wanting to kill Sasha specifically would make sense regardless.

As I said. The whole situation regarding all the Eldians in general is horrible and tragic and I am not too willing to condemn most of them barring the Tyburs considering the awful circumstances.

Though it doesn't really matter much now, I'd like clarification on Ymir's background. Like, I get she was picked at random for some sort of cult, but why? What was the end game there?

Also, I wonder if Historia will matter for anything else. When was the last time she appeared or was mentioned?

Money and greed I'd assume? Ymir seemed to be chosen at random out of many homeless Eldian kids to be the reincarnation of Ymir. That whole cult situation comes across as an asshole grifter/conman, possibly an Marleyan, that wanted to make it rich off of desperate people while using Ymir herself and the Eldians that bought into it like the woman that later on became the Talking Titan as scapegoats if need be.

Edited by Wispy on Jul 15th 2019 at 6:23:04 AM

Honestly, even as someone who loathes Gabi, I can't hold Eren against her.

Eren is basically considered a war criminal by people on all sides at this point. Even his closets friends have doubts about him, and Mikasa has admitted he's done unforgiveable, horrible things.

I hope next chapter Gabi gets eaten by one of Zeke's Titans. It would be a good end for her, dying horribly because she couldn't follow the Braus's example and fucked up everything for everyone including herself when if she had just sat back things would've worked out for her and Colt (somewhat) because Zeke sent him to eat Reiner.

Edited by doineedaname on Jul 16th 2019 at 3:04:55 PM

As far as everyone on Marley's side is concerned, Eren is planning on using the Wall Titans to destroy the world. And since even Armin is willing to consider that possibility, it is damn likely that he is. Eren may now acknowledge that not all his enemies are evil, but he still thinks he needs to destroy them all.

Do people seriously expect Gabi to sit back and watch? Marley views Eren as if he is basically Thanos.

Edit: And how did she fuck anything up here? She didn't make Zeke scream, nor did she direct Falco to eat Porco.

Edited by SilentColossus on Jul 16th 2019 at 1:43:41 AM

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Yeah, count me in as finding the Gabi hate - and especially that - as incredibly fucking concerning and disturbing.

Gabi is in exactly no way responsible or whats going on. She, as much as anyone, is a victim. Eren and Zeke (you know, the guy who basically just murdered hundreds of people for existing, enslaved their zombies into devouring hundreds more, and ultimately intends to commit genocide via his batshit Suicidal Cosmic Temper Tantrum) are the two most responsible for the situation.

Gabi has been following Reiner's example quite closely, except unlike her cousin she seems to actually be taking some lessons from living among Paradis to heart much more quickly than him, and in a much shorter span of time too.

Right now I'm rooting for her as a fan of her as much as I am out of spite for this perverse hatred of her.

Edited by TheAirman on Jul 16th 2019 at 4:36:04 AM

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Honestly, I'm not surprised that people are continuing to attack Gabi for doing things that are completely reasonable based on what she knows.

Eren quite literally has the power to destroy all life on the planet, if he so wishes and manages to touch Zeke. She is rightfully TERRIFIED of him and what he might do, considering what she's personally witnessed him do:

• Transform under an occupied building, killing civilians.
• Tear Willy Tybur to pieces and eat him.
• Murder the Marleyan top brass by belly-flopping on top of them.
• Cause the deaths of two of her closest friends.
• Turn her home into a battlefield, destroying homes and killing people she's known her entire life.
• Threatened, verbally abused, and beat the crap out of his childhood friends in front of her.
• Had his friends and the Braus family thrown in prison
• Conspired with Zeke to do ?????

Everyone on the Marleyan side is desperately trying to prevent a literal Apocalypse How. Gabi shot Eren because she's been watching everyone she cares about desperately fighting to stop the Yeager brothers from using the Founding Titan. She thinks this guy that destroyed her home, murdered her comrades, and abuses his OWN comrades is about to kick-start the end of the world.

Pretty sure if Papa Braus was there, working off the same information, he would have blown Eren's head off as well.

Yeah, I remember I wasn't the only one willing to take Eren's side at first when he Grim Reminder'd Marley since he seemed to do so in response to Willy gaslighting the international community into declaring total war upon Paradis. When he transformed it appeared to be a preemptive maneuver in defense of self and others. Then we found out he was acting as a rogue agent.

With Gabi we've seen what her intentions are, have seen how's she's changed from her first appearance thanks to meeting Sasha's family, and seen what information she has access too. She genuinely believes, and has every reason to believe, that she's working to prevent a straight up omnicide.

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Glad it's not just me thinking that. I always have a low tolerance for "CHARACTER BAD!!!!!" posts, but I haven't been active so I was hesitant to say something about wishing death upon a fictional child.

A combination of people plain not caring about the new characters (quite a few people in this thread basically went "these people do nothing for me" as Marley Arc developed) and unfavorably comparing with Falco (who, despite drinking the same Kool-Aid as Gabi is just about the nicest kid you can find in this manga, even deep in the enemy territory) probably soured people to Gabi even before she killed Sasha. That was just the last straw for rabid hatred to develop.

There shouldn't however be any question that what Gabi did is objectively right, at least from what information both us and the characters have. Even if she was completely in the green about the entire ordeal, she just saw Falco turn into a Titan (among countless other Walldians), fry Colt in the crossfire, and eat Porco to put a nail in the coffin; all of this is on Eren and Zeke. The former was easier to shoot, since he was out of his Titan at the time.

...and she did vow to kill him back in Liberio, so...

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There shouldn't be any question to us that what Gabi did is objectively wrong as is anything anyone does to keep Marley from being rendered impotent. They've been so thoroughly shown as a A Nazi by Any Other Name that I simply cannot see any reason not to cheer for their militaries complete dismantling regardless of the collateral it causes because there's simply no living with Nazis, even discount ones. Fortunately their remaining highest ranking leader in the form of Magath and all their Shifters are in an area with only those exposed to Zeke's spinal fluid as collateral. They can be dealt with through a small number of Wall Titans and Marley crippled permanently, or could've been if Gabi didn't get in the way.

Marley isn't there to save the world, they're there for the same thing they were before. To get the Founding Titan to secure their own power with a self-serving justification, otherwise Pieck could've just shot Eren and be done with it rather than risk him getting free.

I really don't buy Gabi genuinely believing Marley and that's why she did it especially after Pieck telling her that her hopes were stupid and Marley would surely exterminate all of the Eldians once Titans are useless. Even if she does thinks they can find a way to prevent that. Her motive here being revenge is something I find far more believable at this point.

And I don't buy Eren's end goal simply being killing everyone with the Rumbling. He could have simply gone underground to make it to Zeke and start the Rumbling rather than fight here head on but I think he choose to do so because of his friends being in prison in what turned into a war zone. With him not wanting any of them to inherit his Titan I think he simply doesn't want them in the line of fire anymore after Sasha's death and he'll do that no matter how badly he has to hurt them in the process.

You do understand that both Marley and Eren can be wrong, right? Like, Marley being terrible does nothing to erase the fact that people have legitimate reasons to think that Eren might actually be trying to destroy the entire world and thus take him out.

Acknowledging that doesn't somehow make Marley good. That should be obvious, considering our heroes are still fighting them, but they're also not totally sure and trusting of Eren at this point, because why would they be?

You seem to be conflating things that we, as the audience, and thus know this is a story have to suspect, with what can be reasonably assumed of the characters. And that never makes for valid criticism. You also seem to be throwing in some "the ends justify the means" there, which also severely hurts any point you could have.

Edited by LSBK on Jul 17th 2019 at 8:09:15 AM

The first part I'm talking entirely about people saying that out of universe. Maybe I could've made that more clear but I assumed the "to us" was enough.