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Because Talos can already fly? And nope. Artificial lifeforms, like say, a certain cyborg from Apocrypha can become Heroic Spirits.

Just messing around with something more light-hearted. More human than most anyway, since Talos was an automaton built by a god and had human mortality.

edited 17th Jun '12 6:15:24 AM by Thrombin

... Cyborg means part human and part machine. Not fully machine. >.>

Still doesn't change the fact that she's an artificial lifeform. As long as it has a soul, I am pretty sure it can become a Heroic Spirit.

I'm inclined to side with Thrombin here. Medusa wasn't human either. Neither was Tamamo no Mae. And as the wiki points out,

The important words here being "artificial" and "lifeform". Anyway, my opinion aside, I'm going to need to discuss this with Ragna, sort out the technicalities. Ability-wise, she seems fine if you remove Eye of the Mind (True). Generally that skill is bestowed upon the Weak, but Skilled types, and there's a reason for that.

Oh um. But Eye of Mind is pretty important for the character since as an automaton, I wanted Talos to play like that kind of silly Awesome by Analysis, If My Calculations Are Correct intelligence, nerfing it somewhat with the propensity to share that information with the foe as well. Kind of like a flanderised Sion.

Weak huh... would she get to keep it if something else, like perhaps the base stats or the rank of Eye of Mind, was nerfed?

edited 17th Jun '12 7:54:37 AM by Thrombin

Um...

Human-sized, female robot Talos...

You know, if anything, Talos itself would be a Noble Phantasm in the Nasuverse. Trying to turn it into a Servant...

Well, let's see, Medusa was a weird sort of humanish god-ish thing that qualified as human enough to be picked out by the Grail. Frankenstein's Monster was in part human with robotic portions. Tamamo no Mae is, if I'm not mistaken, either qualifies as human enough or was a glitch in the grail(I think it's actually mentioned that her lack being nonhuman is weird).

A robot... is not something that should be summoned by the Holy Grail and I have a problem with a giant bronze man being a small female robot.

Apparently there must be some sort of uncanny valley in Heroic Spirit recording since guns and aircraft carriers can become Heroic Spirits but an automaton cannot.

What.

... What.

No. No they can't. Whoever told you that was wrong.

I'm really curious as to why someone would tell you that. The closest thing in any canon in Fate that fits something, if anything, like that is Frankenstein's Monster.

It's because this Servant was approved in Festivals.

Basically, someone took this line from the wiki...

...and ran with it. Yes daltar approved it, but s/he ain't the main GM anymore.

edited 17th Jun '12 9:31:05 AM by JustaUsername

I... seriously doubt that actually makes it a heroic spirit in this sense.

And honestly that Servant shouldn't have been approved.

Nasu said that if a gun-wielder were to be become an object of lore, it would be the armament that becomes the Heroic Spirit, the gun, and not the wielder.

That aside... is there a rule saying that Heroic Spirits have to be a human? The only thing I'm seeing is the fact that Medusa clearly wasn't a human.

Okay, a decision has been reached. The final conclusion is... that Talos should remain an NP rather than a traditional Heroic Spirit. HOWEVER!

Thrombin, we offer you another choice. It is said in some versions of the myth that Talos was forged by Daedalus. Why not make him a Servant (maybe Rider or Caster) and Talos his NP?

T_T And I was so looking forward to playing a dojikko tsundere artificial construct.

I wonder if there wouldn't have been such a big fuss if I just relabelled her abilities into something less conspicuously like a command interface.

A choice to make her an NP? But what's that supposed to mean? Since she's an NP (or he if the bio's to be thrown out as well), does that still mean I get to keep the powers stuff that I previously wrote? Or does she have to become a boring bronze man that Daedelus must whip out like a blessed statue of the Buddha? And that wouldn't make Daedelus lolhax (unless you're consenting to make Daedelus a pseudo-master like Medea but with no combat abilities to speak of)?

edited 17th Jun '12 10:02:25 AM by Thrombin

Moe did something like this once. Here's the way that would work. Daedalus would have E-Rank in all stats, but have an advantage in N Ps. His NP being Talos, which is basically another Servant designed to do the fighting for him.

YES. FUCK YES.

But her powers stem a big part from her affinity with Zeus. Is it fine if I combine the two versions of the myth, in that both Zeus and Daedelus played a part in her creation?

edited 17th Jun '12 10:04:25 AM by Thrombin

Like Deus and John Balks in Mirai Nikki? XD

Yeah, that's fine.

I will be editing in a bio for Daedelus later in the same post as Talos's bio.

Good God, if I wank Daedelus into somebody too fatherly I might just get a hypervolemic death from a nosebleed.

edited 17th Jun '12 10:08:17 AM by Thrombin

I still have an issue with completely ignoring the myth of Talos, honestly. I really don't like turning what was essentially a mythological mecha into a human-sized robot, even without the gender bender aspect.

If you look at the Nasuverse, the genderflips for the most part are explained and usually make sense.

Changing Talos to this extent makes the myth it shows up in completely invalidated.

...Hmmm. The only way I can think that would fit both the little gynoid idea and the original idea of the giant robot would be to... I dunno, make her like Ancient Greek Ultra Man or something.

...I'm not sure if that's too silly or not, though. >.<

Workarounds to mitigate the implausability, yes. And even then, some things slipped past the cracks or were ignored, like Saber's skirt. But the 'explanation' for genderflipped Arthur was because FSN was changed into an eroge. Prototype Saber was a guy. And what about changing Sir Francis Drake into a buxom woman? Or Astolfo into a trap? Or Nero into yet another buxom woman? Or Frank's monster, who in the story was clearly male and even demanded for his creator to give him a female spouse? Jack the Ripper becoming a little girl doesn't 'completely invalidate' the legend?

edited 17th Jun '12 10:21:04 AM by Thrombin

Actually, the last point isn't a good one, since there were quite a lot of theories that Jack was female even at the time she was operating in, and many people still follow this theory even today (myself, for one). Then again, Jack was never caught and was so mysterious that just about any interpretation of her in fiction makes sense, really.

...The Francis Drake one always kinda bugged me, though. And Nero only seems to be female just so they can have another Arturia lookalike... At least Arturia herself had a somewhat plausible explanation. Um, hmmm...

...I'm still kinda thinking the "little girl robot who turns into a bronze collosus to fight evil" is the best way to work this, but then I'm crazy like that.

edited 17th Jun '12 10:21:25 AM by Moerin

Also, Gil pretty much has a skirt. =P

A woman perhaps, but a little girl? I really doubt anyone can actually believe that a person of her stature and age would have the necessary physique or upper-body strength to carry out all those brutal murders.

edited 17th Jun '12 10:27:48 AM by Thrombin