Huh. I know Claremont started overexplaining things so Byrne wouldn't draw something he wasn't supposed to draw. Was this the reason he started doing that?
Edited by djoki996 on Nov 28th 2020 at 2:13:14 AM
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He decided giving Bryne any more breathing space would end badly?
Wake me up at your own risk.
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I don't know for sure but it seems plausible. Byrne and Claremont clashed a lot over creative differences. I've heard that of all things, a sequence where Colossus rips up a stump is what led to those differences becoming irreconcilable
Edited by Bocaj on Nov 28th 2020 at 5:14:48 AM
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Oh yeah the end of Ewing's Ultimates had Maker bring back several Ultimate characters after gaining lots of ultimate power.
So Maker's grand plan in Venom being finding a way to travel back to his home universe is a logical progression of the character.
Kudos to Cates for the hand off from him to Ewing.
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According to the Untold History of Marvel (awesome book), this isn't quite as Black and White as it seems. Part of the issue is the fact that every Marvel writer was constantly butting heads over shared continuity and lack of resources. It put everyone in somewhat of a perpetually foul mood because their own artistic desires were being interfered with by other people's use of the characters.
At one point they had a lot of freedom but it gradually got stripped away by corporate. Stan Lee apparently ran a lot more interference than he was ever given credit for but got a lot of blame as the manager.
Claremont also tended to believe all X-men were his characters.
Edited by CharlesPhipps on Nov 28th 2020 at 2:25:55 AM
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I take Marvel Comics: The Untold Story with a bit of a grain of salt because either Sean Howe or a lot of the people interviewed definitely had axes to grind.
But stuff like ![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
seems fairly plausible. Especially the thing with Claremont.
Okay, if anyone is reading Strange Academy, can someone tell me how/why Dormammu has a kid? And why the kid is going to Strange's magic academy?
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The how is probably through some hot, reality shaking Faltine sex.
The why is so he could be in this book.
And the other why is because the Faltine aren't inherently as bad as Dormammu so you'd want to give Dormammu Jr some positive guidance so he doesn't end up like dad.
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More likely he just created him ex-nihilo. Dormammu, like most of his kind, is rather averse to sex. His sister on the other hand...
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He has a sister?
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Yep. She was crowned "the best lay in all of marveldom" because she screwed Hulk out of... Hulking out.
No, I'm not kidding.
Oh, her name is Umar if you want to google her.
Edited by djoki996 on Nov 28th 2020 at 2:53:20 AM
Yes, Umar.
She is Baron Mordo's ex and mother of Stephen Strange's ex-wife.
She also had such incredible sex with the Incredible Hulk, he lost the ability to change for several days. Apparently much of the Gamma Beast's attitude is frustrated tension.
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Why doesn't she look like her brother?
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@Byrne: I'm pretty sure he supports pedophelia.
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Welp. Learned something today.
Gross, John.
Edited by Bocaj on Nov 28th 2020 at 6:00:08 AM
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Oh wait she's trapped in a physical body, she looks like a fire being in her true form like her bro.
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Like to Cap off immortal? Though Marvel have let him keep the story self contained.
Strange Scademy is big on inhuman, traditionally bad guy characters, played as traditional super teens.
There's a Demon from Limbo, a living dead girl, I think a frost giant, crystal warrior/Man-Thing hybrid and so on.
Perfect for initial misunderstandings and the usual teenage conflicts.
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Its impressive how they let Immortal be self-contained compared to how they liked the stuff in Venom so much they made 2 events out of it.
Like shit I hear for Cates it was pretty hard forcing the story of Absolute Carnage into a 5-issue event so I guess Ewing is lucky.
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Huh here's a random thought.
Thor in the original mythology has 2 sons that I am aware of, Magni & Modi.
How come his descendants here tend to be daughters?
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How many descendants is he supposed to have? The only ones I can think of are Torunn from Next Avengers and his (grand)daughters from Jason Aaron's run.
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Apparently the granddaughters of thunder's father is Woden Thorson so Thor does have a son. Just not a Magni or Modi.
According to marvel wiki, Magni and Modi have appeared in Marvel before. They don't seem to have been used a lot though.
And Ultimate Thor had an ultimate son (Ultimate Modi) with Ultimate Hela in Ultima Comics and ultimately had to filicide him.
Edited by Bocaj on Nov 28th 2020 at 8:08:53 AM
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How is that possible, since Claremont was the scripter and the script came after the pencils? Claremont could just send it back to be redrawn. If he didn't like the scene, he sure included a lot of words describing it. http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=56690&PN=1&TPN=27
Bryne described the D'Bari as a group decision.
X-Factor wasn't his idea and his FF part of Jean's resurrection was rewritten.
When Marvel is getting ready to launch X-FACTOR, starring the original X-Men, I suggest we use the idea to bring Jean into the book. Roger Stern and I, presided over by Shooter, plot a crossover between the AVENGERS and the FANTASTIC FOUR to engineer Jean's return. All is done, all is set, all is approved and ready to go to the printers.
Then I make a fatal mistake. I accept DC's invitation to "reboot" Superman. Mike Hobson, Shooter's boss, sends me a letter of congratulations, saying "Anything that's good for DC will ultimately be good for Marvel." (At this point I intended to work for both companies.)
Shooter declares the previously approved FF half of the story flawed and in need of a major overhaul. I see what he's doing and refuse to play along. "He needs to punish me," I say to editor Mike Carlin. Jackson Guice is called in to redraw. For an extra twist of the knife, Chris is called in to do the rewrite.
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In another interview Byrne had this to say
"[Claremont] kept making Jean more and more powerful. Even when I took pains not to draw it that way, we'd get the whole 'her power is a song within her' stuff. The X-Men were fast becoming fifth wheels in their own book...[writer Steven Grant] suggested that we just make [Phoenix] a villain. I wasn't at all crazy about the idea - Jean was a favorite - but it seemed very much a case of the good of the many outweighing the few: If the X-Men were ever to get their own book back, Jean could not continue in her present form...all the 'bits' that Chris came up with for the first rampage of Dark Phoenix amounted to pretty harmless stuff or acts of self-defense - so I had her nuke the Asparagus People, and everything snowballed from there."
Painting the idea as his and further than Claremont had been intending to go
Claremont says he went with it but worried so asked editor Salicrup to look the stuff over since it was a pretty serious thing to put on Jean and Salicrup didn’t take issue with it.
Like I said it’s a muddled account with a lot of contradiction after the fact
But I doubt that Shooter had any kind of vendetta against Byrne when the reverse seems more true
Edited by Bocaj on Nov 29th 2020 at 10:43:47 AM
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John Byrne proposes that a sexy grown woman be mind wiped back to childhood. Given some other stuff he's said... EEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!