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Though looking at it, the Warriors had a few mutants at different times in their run.

I'm not sure if Vance was a mutant or not, but Angelica was one obviously, and Nita was both an atlantean and a Mutant (since Namor is now acknowledged as one, she's arguably the same).

Microbe was one as well I believe.

Outside of the Avengers, they are probably the only non X-Men group to have notable mutant members.

Vance, Angelica, Microbe, and Nita were all mutants. IIRC, Vance was put on trial for accidentally killing his dad because his dad kept beating him for being one and then Vance finally lashed out.

That was quite a good arc in the series; and even went deeper when Vance went back in the past and saw his dad was a closested gay man whiched explained a lot.

Anyhoo, IIRC last New Warriors arc had a human (Sun Girl), mutant (Justice), superhuman (Speedball), cosmic hero (Nova Sam), Inhuman (Haechi), Atlantean (Water Snake), clone (Kaine), and demigod (Archely). I suppose to expand, you can add an Asguardian and just one alien to rep them all, those does Thor count as an alien?

And dick, dark hawk and au Phylla are confirmed for gotg

So...I'm making my way through Gruenwald's Captain America, just finished up the "The Captain" arc...and I have to ask - how exactly did D-Man become a joke in the way he did? I can see how he would have been a significant Scrappy (although Nomad is far more insufferable), but...after reading the original run where he was a doof who'd bitten off more than he could chew, I am really confused as to how he became quite as much of a joke in later appearances. Is it that his most memorable appearance was the joking about his smell in Busiek Avengers? Is it that Brian Bendis in particular seemed to despise the character?

Basically...did people hate on D-Man, call him the worst, and think of him as a joke before Busiek and Bendis made a laugh at him? Does he just seem less annoying to me because I expected him to be more hateable?

Edited by TheEvilDrBolty on Oct 11th 2018 at 9:12:32 AM

I'd say Busiek did it. Bit of a spoiler here, but: Eventually, in Gruenwald's run, D-Man leaves Cap in order to protect a community of homeless people. He didn't appear much after that, a couple appearances here and there but nothing notable. Then Busiek came along with a hugely popular and influential Avengers run, and threw in a couple jokes about D-Man (though, to Busiek's credit, he also made clear that D-Man was a genuinely good guy, and had both Cap and Jarvis be respectful). Then he went back into limbo until Bendis threw him in for, again, a silly gag, one among a bunch of other minor characters appearing for the gag. A pretty funny one, honestly.

Bendis wrote the character weird, sometimes he was normal but pathetic, while other times he was a blathering, filth-covered psychotic who was convinced that he was the avatar of cosmic entities that wanted him to get the Infinity Gems.

Then Brubaker had him be brainwashed into becoming the new Scourge and Sharon blew his brains out.

And then he got perhaps the most hilarious resurrection in comics history: a teenager tried to summon a demon, but didn't enunciate well enough and got D-Man instead.

Since Marvel can't go too long without making a really unpopular decision, they fired Chuck Wendig.

Ok so previews of the new captain marvel issue are out carols mom is a kree called mari-ell and carols kree name is car-ell

Is it wrong for me to think her & Superman are related?

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 12th 2018 at 6:25:38 AM

And Supergirl does go by Kara Danvers.

Still not sure how I feel about Kree Carol. I suppose it doesn't change much about her run up until now but I'm just kinda overwhelmed about the many, many "new directions" the character has been through since 2012 and then when they find one that sticks, they switch it again. The movie is probably guaranteed to bring in new fans so maybe this one will stay for a bit.

I'm probably in the minority but I'm ok with the reveal that Carol has always been half-Kree

Edited by GmCommand on Oct 13th 2018 at 8:26:43 AM

*angrily slams fist on table* I have no strong feelings about it one way or the other!

So I have come to the conclusion that comic writers just can not stop trying to reinvent characters or reveal some new twist and completely changes their origins rather than focus on the future.

An issue I have is that they couldn't give her a better name.

I would appreciate it better if they weren't blatant movie tie-ins. Again, you think Wanda and Pietro stopped being Mag's kids because some writer had a good idea?

Yeah, that is the biggest reason why I want that retcon undone, because it was done for the most petty and spiteful reasons to begin with and I hate that kind of writing.

The Maximoff retcon also makes House of M and Avengers Disassembled stupid. Wanda got possessed and went on a crazy rampage and undid mutant kind all for nothing? What in the actual Mephisto's Realm?

No they were already stupid on the face of things

This doesn’t make them more stupid because that’s not even possible

Edited by Bocaj on Oct 14th 2018 at 6:28:09 AM

Out of universe, they were already dumb. In universe, it was their friend and family going mad as a hatter over grief and wiped out mutant kind to spite her father and family. Now, it's just Wanda being dumber than the dumb (really, trusting Doom?) and crazy she was already in.

So what your getting at is it goes from not making any sense to literally having no sense at all.

The grief didn't make any sense because there was already a storyline where Wanda came to terms with losing her fake demon babies.

And then she just gets amnesia off-panel so she can remember them again and flip out again.

Nothing about Avengers Disassembled was good.

None of it ever made sense in the end then.

Why hasn't anyone said I BLAME BENDIS!!!! yet.

I mean, I don't hate him, but that entire thing is his fault.