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Drakovicz Sad.... :(
Sad.... :(
Jan 10th 2013 at 3:00:09 PM

Ill have to give it to them, CD Projekt can make awesome trailers.

Has a compulsive editing and re-editing disorder.
JAF1970 Jonah Falcon from New York
Jonah Falcon
Jan 10th 2013 at 11:58:25 PM

Cyberpunk debuted in 1988, so at least it predates Strange Days.

Jonah Falcon
Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing!
Gunpla is amazing!
Jan 11th 2013 at 12:05:18 AM

I need this game.

JAF1970 Jonah Falcon from New York
Jonah Falcon
Jan 11th 2013 at 12:06:18 AM

That video? Apparently it's how your team acquires its Token Evil Teammate.

Jonah Falcon
Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing!
Gunpla is amazing!
Jan 11th 2013 at 12:10:39 AM

The cyborg chick?

I guess its gonna be a case of "We are in serious shit and we need people who kick serious ass, and she just kicked serious ass"

JAF1970 Jonah Falcon from New York
Jonah Falcon
Jan 11th 2013 at 12:42:28 AM

According to the backstory, when you get too many cybernetic implants, you go Axe-Crazy, call people "Meatbags", and go on a Kill All Humans psychosis. And one can become a party member.

At least she's cuter than HK-47.

Jonah Falcon
Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing!
Gunpla is amazing!
Jan 11th 2013 at 1:35:51 AM

That sounds like she would be difficult to control. Maybe she's on the edge? Like, her kneeling was because she just realized what she had done.

onyhow Too much adorableness from Land of the headpats Relationship Status: Squeeeeeeeeeeeee!
Too much adorableness
Jan 11th 2013 at 6:02:15 AM

I dunno, but what's with all Cybernetics Eat Your Soul / anti-transhumanism in cyberpunk work in general? (sorry, I just didn't read cyberpunk much)

edited 11th Jan '13 6:08:14 AM by onyhow

Give me cute or give me...something?
maxwellelvis Mad Scientist Wannabe from undisclosed location Relationship Status: In my bunk
Mad Scientist Wannabe
Jan 11th 2013 at 6:50:16 AM

[up]Basic human nature. We're afraid of what would happen when we start sticking computers into ourselves.

Of course, don't you know anything about ALCHEMY?!- Twin clones of Ivan the Great
Kev-O AWKTUHGAHN
AWKTUHGAHN
Jan 11th 2013 at 6:52:27 AM

[up][up]Probably just a hold back from old tabletop games where they would use stuff like Humanity to balance out characters. Like, "You can choose this nifty pair of retractable fist lasers, but you'll have a 30% higher chance of gaining Cyberschizophrenia."

edited 11th Jan '13 6:52:34 AM by Kev-O

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Jan 11th 2013 at 8:37:38 AM

[up] I would say its that more than actual anti-transhuman fears. Remember, cyberpunk games actually date *way* back, to the dark days of RP Gs when anything that made you more powerful than a red shirt had to come with some serious price, whether theoretical or actual.

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Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing!
Gunpla is amazing!
Jan 11th 2013 at 1:59:27 PM

Should we start a trope page?

Nyarly Das kann doch nicht sein! from Saksa
Das kann doch nicht sein!
Jan 11th 2013 at 2:52:18 PM

Man, I get flashbacks to old discussions in a Shadowrun forum, where people talked about the pro and contra of anti-humanizing effects of cyberware, whether it's feasible to create special rules for them or whether they should be "only" role-played, how much (if at all) the more "human-friendly" bioware is affected and how much they should be tied to the Essence value. I didn't actually participate in them, but they were fun to read.

Does Cyberpunk 2020 actually have rules for that?

People aren't as awful as the internet makes them out to be.
Kev-O AWKTUHGAHN
AWKTUHGAHN
Jan 11th 2013 at 3:36:38 PM

[up][up]Why not?

[up]Yeah, if you install too many augs in Cyberpunk 2020 you basically turn into HK-47's unfunny and slightly fleshier cousin who hates all organics.

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Nicknacks Ding-ding! Going down... from Land Down Under
Ding-ding! Going down...
Jan 11th 2013 at 4:07:11 PM

I dunno, but what's with all Cybernetics Eat Your Soul / anti-transhumanism in cyberpunk work in general? (sorry, I just didn't read cyberpunk much)

Perhaps you're looking at the genre the wrong way around? Cyberpunk's a genre that came about so that writers could explore trans- and post-human anxieties in a literary context, rather than a literary context that happens to often contain trans and post-human anxiety.

This kind of narrative is a syntactic marker for the genre, and not a semiotic one.

(That's from genre theory. Syntactic Markers are the kind of things that a genre is — Road Movies have set-pieces interspersed by travel, Science Fiction is speculative, Westerns are often about law, chaos and the building of communities on the frontiers — while Semiotic Markers are the kind of things that often turn up in those genre, and give you the tip-off as to what the genre is emulating — Road Movies often have cars and roads, but they don't have to; Science Fiction has laser pistols and spaceships, but they don't have to; Westerns have saloons and tumbleweed, but they don't have to.)

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Jan 11th 2013 at 7:22:54 PM

[up] I would argue cyberpunk is far more about social and cultural changes than transhumanism. Technology is only relevant insofar as technological advances encourage social change, creating periods of uncertainty and flux. You can totally have cyberpunk without any transhuman elements at all ( barring perhaps a uselessly broad definition of "transhumanism" ).

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Nicknacks Ding-ding! Going down... from Land Down Under
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Jan 11th 2013 at 9:56:26 PM

I wonder if you can. The relationship between human and machine feels essential to cyberpunk. It's perhaps a little glib to jump straight from that to transhumanism, but I don't think it's unexpected or even escapable. If you've got other examples, I'd love to hear them.

Our trope page for the genre isn't that great, though. Seems to link cyberpunk implicitly to dystopia, which I don't necessarily agree with.

edited 11th Jan '13 9:59:55 PM by Nicknacks

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maxwellelvis Mad Scientist Wannabe from undisclosed location Relationship Status: In my bunk
Mad Scientist Wannabe
Jan 12th 2013 at 5:53:30 AM

[up]Well, I've never seen a cyberpunk utopia, so I'm gonna say the page is pretty accurate.

Of course, don't you know anything about ALCHEMY?!- Twin clones of Ivan the Great
Nicknacks Ding-ding! Going down... from Land Down Under
Ding-ding! Going down...
Jan 12th 2013 at 4:48:44 PM

Caprica, which while not set in a utopia certainly isn't dystopic. The series spends a lot of time comparing the setting Heaven prior to the fall of man.

In The City Of The Saved... which is a Noir set explicitly in a Utopia brimming with with cyberpunk paraphernalia.

I'm sure there are others as well.

edited 12th Jan '13 4:49:01 PM by Nicknacks

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Jan 13th 2013 at 6:23:37 AM [Insert seemingly profound or amusing phrase here.]
Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing!
Gunpla is amazing!
Jan 13th 2013 at 1:40:05 PM

Just bought the song in the trailer. So good.

Kev-O AWKTUHGAHN
AWKTUHGAHN
Jan 14th 2013 at 4:16:00 AM

I don't like the song that much. The vocals are really bad and kind of drag down the whole experience. At least it wasn't cliche techno music, though.

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JAF1970 Jonah Falcon from New York
Jonah Falcon
Jan 14th 2013 at 10:56:51 AM

It's just mildly frustrating in that there's no hint about what the game mechanics will be. The Witcher with cybernetics?

Jonah Falcon
Kev-O AWKTUHGAHN
AWKTUHGAHN
Jan 14th 2013 at 12:12:33 PM

[up]They've said they're basing it off the tabletop games combat system, which pretty much translates to, "Get shot in the head without protection? Dead. Get shot in the head with helmet on? Better hope you roll high, son."

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Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing!
Gunpla is amazing!
Jan 14th 2013 at 12:13:37 PM

Would be nice if it was somehow like the older fallout games in some aspect like that.


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