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TheWildWestPyro from Seattle, WA Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Healthy, deeply-felt respect for this here Shotgun
#3951: Apr 24th 2022 at 1:12:13 PM

The EZLN rejected Putin's BS on de-Nazifying Ukraine and called out those on the LATAM Left who support Russia.

They then marched to show support for Ukraine.

It's important to remember that the EZLN are indigenistas above all and not anything seriously far-left, simply carrying on an existing agrarian socialism and indigenous activism.

Three years back, they rebuked a North American leftist magazine for being overly privileged and calling them 'not anarchist enough' by reminding them that they're an indigenous organization first and foremost.

Edited by TheWildWestPyro on Apr 24th 2022 at 11:25:07 AM

SteamKnight Since: Jun, 2018
#3952: Apr 24th 2022 at 11:22:49 PM

@Falklands issues: Huh? It's still going? Well, good luck to Argentina. I don't think it will change anything, but still good luck to them.

[up] Hopefully other leftists there follow suit. One of the problems with leftists (and not just the LATAM ones) is that they clinging to, and sometimes even jumping to support sinking and burning ships.

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MrSeyker Since: Apr, 2011
#3953: Apr 26th 2022 at 3:12:27 PM

Malvinas never stopped being an issue in Argentine culture. It's a huge chip on our shoulders that the islands remain in England's posession.

You can be damn sure the government will make waves about the issue, especially whenever there's a justicialista at the helm (be them peronistas, menemistas, kirchneristas). Reclaiming Malvinas is always on their agenda.

Edited by MrSeyker on Apr 26th 2022 at 5:39:46 AM

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#3954: Apr 26th 2022 at 4:33:16 PM

Bit of an awkward time to talk about how they want to claim land that was ‘totally’ theirs historically and engage in ethnic clenching to remove the native population who don’t like them.

The British position has long been clear, that any negotiations have to involve the people who live there, something he Argentinian government refuses to accept.

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thatindiantroper Since: Feb, 2015
#3955: Apr 26th 2022 at 8:14:38 PM

Ya gotta hand it to Argentina; they managed to find the one colonial conflict where the anti-British side DOESN'T have a leg to stand on.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#3956: Apr 26th 2022 at 9:44:21 PM

Yeah, is also a problem for many here who saw the falklands conflict as British remind everyone who have the big dick here.

is awkard but it wont be latin america if it wasnt awkard.

And with that link Wild pass, there is one statement it drew me

"Regarding the argument of playing into the hands of the right wing, it is the most rampant and crass of countless perverse ideas that circulate in the world. It means, no more and no less, that all human action must be guided by calculations of expected profits and possible losses. Is this not, perhaps, a profoundly capitalist way of looking at life?"

By the way, that answer the zapatista gave? was to this article: http://www.geocities.ws/kk_abacus/vb/wd7ezln.html (Sorry for the letter, was the only page I found) in which analizing some movement and how they try to reform or appeal to the power of the state and the faliure of that, specially touching the Zapatista movement and calling the reason they are so liked is because their revolution can be made with aim of capitalism and to call the idea of be clear in revolucionary solidarity.

the biggest part of the answer for me is this:

It is apparent from your condescending language and arrogant shortsightedness that you understand very little about Mexican History or Mexicans in general. We may be “fundamentally reformist” and may be working for “nothing concrete that could not be provided for by capitalism” but rest assured that food, land, democracy, justice and peace are terribly precious when you don’t have them. Precious enough to struggle for at any cost, even at the risk of offending some comfortable people in a far off land who think their belief system is more important than basic human needs. Precious enough to work for with whatever tools we have before us, be it negotiations with the State or networking within popular culture.

...

more disgusting to us was the line “The question of revolutionary solidarity in these struggles is, therefore, the question of how to intervene in a way that is fitting with one’s aims, in a way that moves one’s revolutionary anarchist project forward.” It would be difficult for us to design a more concise list of colonial words and attitudes than those used in this sentence. “Intervene?” “Moves one’s ‘project’ forward?” Mexicans have a very well developed understanding of what “intervention” entails. Try looking up Conquista and Villahermosa and Tejas and Maximilian in a history book for even a small glimpse of what we see when North Americans start talking about “intervention.” But once again, the anarchists in North America know better than us about how to wage a struggle we have been engaged in since 300 years before their country was founded and can therefore, even think about using us as a means to “advance their project.”

That is the same exact attitude Capitalists and Empires have been using to exploit and degrade Mexico and the rest of the third world for the past five hundred years. Even though this article talks a lot about revolution, the attitudes and ideas held by the author are no different than those held by Cortes, Monroe or any other corporate imperialist bastard you can think of. Your intervention is not wanted nor are we a “project” for some high-minded North Americans to profit off. The author talks much about revolutionary solidarity without ever defining the term. What does revolutionary solidarity mean to him? From the attitude of his article it is apparent that revolutionary solidarity is more or less the same thing to him as “profit margins” and “cost/benefit analyses” are to corporate imperialists, ways to use someone else for one’s own gain. So long as North American anarchists hold and espouse colonialist belief systems they will forever find themselves without allies in the third world. The peasants in Bolivia and Ecuador, no matter how closely in conformity with your rigid ideology, will not appreciate your condescending colonial attitudes anymore than would the freedom fighters in Papua New Guinea or anywhere else in the world.

I have to admit is a pretty damn good reason you suck speech.

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TheWildWestPyro from Seattle, WA Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Healthy, deeply-felt respect for this here Shotgun
#3957: Apr 26th 2022 at 10:20:10 PM

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Thanks for finding the original article.

Yes, it must feel pretty cathartic to read that part of the letter.

'Squatting in the jungle' or not, the EZLN are known to be clear-headed when it comes to foreign policy.

They're 'fundamentally reformist' because they no longer have any ambition to march to Mexico City or to fight the government, or to ever take over Mexico. They want Chiapas to remain autonomous and managed by them, and in return they'll never challenge the government as long as they're left alone.

They have a vaguely anarchist bent, but above all they're left-wing indigenistas rather than some subversive terrorist movement. They talk proudly about the Catholics coexisting with the leftists in their reply letter.

On the British: not too awkward when you remember that most LATAM nations by the 20th century trusted the Europeans to respect their economic independence compared to the US.

Edited by TheWildWestPyro on Apr 26th 2022 at 10:24:26 AM

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#3958: Apr 26th 2022 at 10:31:16 PM

[up]Yeah, the article dismiss them by saying "There are reasons why the EZLN has become the darling of the anti-globalization movement: its rhetoric and its aims present no threat to those elements in this movement who merely seek more national and local control of capitalism."

Which....yikes, dear god the level of pretentiousness there. but I get that pragmatism is the reason they are not seen as borderline fringe terrorism movement in a forever war like FARC for example.

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TheWildWestPyro from Seattle, WA Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Healthy, deeply-felt respect for this here Shotgun
#3959: Apr 26th 2022 at 10:59:56 PM

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FARC is actually extremely unpopular among Colombia's own Left for, well, everything. The remnants are generally regarded as an Army of Thieves and Whores. I spoke to one online for an hour and they repeatedly stated how they'd hope that FARC would never get any government seats, and how they wouldn't vote for them in a million years.

If the privileged anarchist magazine actually bothered to speak with the EZLN, the demands would be identical to indigenous movements everywhere, simple and direct without being mired in theory - 'get the government off our land and stop exploiting our people.'

Edited by TheWildWestPyro on Apr 27th 2022 at 12:01:35 PM

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#3960: Apr 26th 2022 at 11:13:13 PM

[up]It remind to the woman in cheran(who I know thanks to residente song this is not america and a proper analysis) who set a autonomous community and in order stuff ban political party as being divise, I first I didnt get why but now I get it.

Granted I remenber a analysis of how vote against FARC intigrating and it turn out the zone that were more afected by them actually when along with the idea. because it was that or more damn conflict.

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TheWildWestPyro from Seattle, WA Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Healthy, deeply-felt respect for this here Shotgun
#3961: Apr 26th 2022 at 11:35:01 PM

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Picking between two harsh choices is regular, depressing life in LATAM.

That approach generally ties into how everyone was united behind the chief or the council in tribal tradition, and multiple parties would just cause useless division in that case.

Edited by TheWildWestPyro on Apr 26th 2022 at 11:35:55 AM

luisedgarf from Mexico Since: May, 2009 Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
#3962: Apr 26th 2022 at 11:52:53 PM

FARC is actually extremely unpopular among Colombia's own Left for, well, everything. The remnants are generally regarded as an Army of Thieves and Whores. I spoke to one online for an hour and they repeatedly stated how they'd hope that FARC would never get any government seats, and how they wouldn't vote for them in a million years.

If they actually bothered to speak with the EZLN, the demands would be identical to indigenous movements everywhere, simple and direct without being mired in theory - 'get the government off our land and stop exploiting our people.'

Please, do not compare the EZLN with the FARC, they don't had anything in common outside the EZLN fought against the government during a few weeks, just to later stop and doing mostly nothing since then.

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#3963: Apr 26th 2022 at 11:54:45 PM

Unknowing is the one who brought up FARC as a comparison.

Disgusted, but not surprised
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#3964: Apr 27th 2022 at 12:07:51 AM

Ya gotta hand it to Argentina; they managed to find the one colonial conflict where the anti-British side DOESN'T have a leg to stand on.

Depending on how one defines colonial conflicts there are probably three. The Falklands, Gibraltar (even then, Spain has some valid points about smuggling) and Pitcairn (being an island of pedo-rapists who wanted to keep raping their own children rather destroyed their credibility).

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#3965: Apr 27th 2022 at 8:53:39 AM

Taking one bit of that letter of the EZLN, can I just add the "coexistence/acceptance with Catholicism/religion" as one of the big Values Dissonance I get from the Global North left? Because honestly here you don't get that sort of attitude except from rather fringe movements.

Instead of focusing on relatives that divide us, maybe we should try to find the absolutes that tie us.
TheWildWestPyro from Seattle, WA Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Healthy, deeply-felt respect for this here Shotgun
#3966: Apr 27th 2022 at 12:23:41 PM

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In LATAM or in the Global North?

SteamKnight Since: Jun, 2018
#3967: Apr 27th 2022 at 1:42:00 PM

[up][up] Considering how prominent Catholics/Christian fundamentalists there and a lot of leftists there become ones thanks to their poor treatment of them. There is simply a lot of bad blood between them there. The culture war bullshit also do not help matter.

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#3968: Apr 27th 2022 at 3:34:46 PM

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In LATAM, attacking the Church outright, instead of protesting a crime, is what could be considered "edgelord" behavior.

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I can understand that, though they might be blindsided when it comes to figures like Pope Francis, who is very much pro-immigration and defensive of the environment.

Instead of focusing on relatives that divide us, maybe we should try to find the absolutes that tie us.
TheWildWestPyro from Seattle, WA Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Healthy, deeply-felt respect for this here Shotgun
#3969: Apr 27th 2022 at 3:46:49 PM

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Definitely. The Church directly worked with the Central American leftists in the 1980s (the consequence being that the military regimes killed clergy).

In peaceful times, in some places left-wing parties and Christian democrats formed alliances. I believe that in Costa Rica, the socialists and Christian Democrats had their alliance lasting for a long time.

And in general, the Church is usually a non-partisan institution in LATAM.

There's some interesting trends, though. The Catholic Church apparently suffered a decline in the 1980s. Most Brazilians I meet today are former Catholics who have converted to Protestants.

Edited by TheWildWestPyro on Apr 27th 2022 at 3:49:15 AM

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#3970: May 4th 2022 at 1:52:45 AM

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61294958

The Argentinian ambassador says the legacy of the Falkland is an open wound.

He also downplayed the votes from the Falkland Islanders to be a British overseas territory and said they don’t know when the war was fought.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#3971: May 4th 2022 at 2:23:35 AM

The church does have is scandal, specially in argentina were some colaborate with videla and there is....not said evidence but taking about the role of pope francis.

And yes, LATAM have getting more and more evangelist as time move on, probably because catholism feel old, rigids, too much structure and too snob, meanwhile evangelism it seen as charming, very pushy and in your face(which it seen as plus here in LATAM) and very botton-top ground unlike catholism who have this air of old elitism around them.

IF I Remenber well, brazil is plague by evangelism with mega churches, prosperity gospel and scandal that would make the ones in US look like penuts in comparation.

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#3972: May 4th 2022 at 5:33:47 AM

New York Times: Deep in Colombia, Rebels and Soldiers Fight for the Same Prize: Drugs.

    Article 
PUTUMAYO, Colombia — In a rebel-held town deep in the jungle, Joel ran drills beside his comrades, line after line of them in camouflage and boots, rifles at their sides.

“To the right!” their instructor shouted.

For Joel, 36, this scene was familiar. He had spent six years in the army, fighting on the front lines against a brutal insurgency that had terrorized Colombia for decades.

But now he had a new employer: an illegal armed group that included the same insurgents he had spent his military career battling to defeat.

“I know it shouldn’t be like this,” he said recently, cradling a rifle in his lap. But after he left the army, he said, he’d struggled to make ends meet. Then came an offer of a salary of $500 a month, nearly twice Colombia’s monthly minimum wage.

Now, “my children live better lives,” he said, “because I can feed them.”

Colombia’s peace accord, signed in 2016 by the government and the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, or FARC, was supposed to usher in a new era of peace in a nation that had endured more than five decades of war. The deal was that the rebels would lay down their arms, while the government would flood conflict zones with job opportunities, alleviating the poverty and inequality that had started the war.

Thousands of FARC fighters laid down their arms. But in many places, the government never arrived. Instead, many parts of rural Colombia have seen a return to the killings, displacement and violence that, in some regions, is now as bad, or worse, than before the accord.

Massacres and the killings of human rights defenders have soared since 2016, according to the United Nations. And displacement remains startlingly high, with 147,000 people forced to flee their homes last year alone, according to government data.

It’s not because the FARC, as an organized fighting force, is back. Rather, the territorial vacuum left by the old insurgency, and the absence of many promised government reforms, has unleashed a criminal morass as new groups form, and old groups mutate, in a battle to control flourishing illicit economies.

While many Colombians call these new groups “the dissidents,” a reference to FARC fighters who rejected the peace deal, their compositions are more complex. In some, former foes — rebels, soldiers and paramilitaries — as well as new recruits and organized crime members have united around the lure of a paycheck.

These fighters are now facing off against their former allies for control of a reinvigorated drug trade in a surge of unrest that looks more like gang violence than the civil insurgency that raged for so many years.

“We’re fighting comrade against comrade, battle brother against battle brother,” said Benjamin Perdomo, a founder of the Comandos de la Frontera, the militia that Joel joined six months ago, one of more than 30 armed groups that security officials say have emerged since 2016.

Like others interviewed for this article, Mr. Perdomo agreed to be identified only by his nom de guerre. Some individuals are not named to protect their lives.

In February, traveling by boat on a river network in the Amazon forest, The Times spent a week with the Comandos. We visited several towns under their control, watched them move weapons and buy drugs, and slept at a camp where fighters set off grenades and ran drills just yards from the Putumayo, a major river, no police or military in sight.

The Comandos are now fighting with the Frente Carolina Ramírez, another group headed by former guerrilla leaders, for control of Putumayo and Caquetá, two departments in the Colombian Amazon, near the border with Ecuador and Peru, that play critical roles in the drug trade.

The departments are also home to two of the country’s important industries: oil and cattle. Together, the contested territories form about 10 percent of the country.

Increasingly, it is civilians who are suffering most, trapped between these warring groups and even the military trying to stop them.

Some security experts warn if the government does not take on a greater role in quelling these militias and fulfilling the promises of the accord, the country could be headed toward a state that looks more like Mexico — ravaged by drug gangs vying for territory — than the Colombia of the 2000s.

“It’s a long way to go to get back to 2002,” said Adam Isacson, director for defense oversight at the Washington Office on Latin America, referring to the casualty counts during one of the worst years of the war. “But we’re on that path right now.”

‘Everything Is About the Money.’

By the time the Comandos spilled into a riverside town on a recent Sunday, the community was already in full weekend swing — music blared from a sound system and rival soccer teams took the field. The fighters, rifles on their shoulders, took up a position on an adjacent plot, where they ran drills in a show of force.

Residents watched both spectacles from the sidelines, beers and ice pops in hand.

The conflict with the FARC dates to the 1960s, when two communist leaders declared a rebellion against the state, pledging to replace the government with one that would support poor rural people.

For decades, cocaine funded the FARC’s deadly fight. Then came the peace deal, which requires the Colombian government to invest in programs that will wean rural communities off the cultivation of coca, the base product in cocaine, and starve armed groups of their income.

But this town, hours from any major city, is one of many where sustainable alternatives never arrived, and coca still dominates.

“The government hasn’t helped with anything,” said the town council president in one militia-controlled community. “For us, coca is the state.”

To many residents here, the Comandos, who formed in 2017, are just the latest militia to occupy their town. They buy their coca and have become the chief employer, the unofficial police force and even the public works administration.

When the locals follow the rules, this relationship can reach a tense symbiosis.

But when residents don’t comply — or when a rival group pushes in and tries to become the new coca buyer — the dynamic turns deadly.

Under the old FARC regime, leaders claimed that their reign of terror was in service to a higher goal. Mr. Perdomo of the Comandos makes a similar claim, saying his group is fighting for “development, progress and social justice” for poor Colombians.

But in interviews with nearly two dozen rank-and-file Comandos, few had any sense that there was a larger purpose to their work. One was a single mother who couldn’t raise her children on the $90 a month she made as a housekeeper; another was a former FARC fighter who had discovered he could make twice as much as the unit’s doctor than he could at a public hospital.

The Comandos not only pay far more than many Colombian employers, they also offer vacation time.

This, said Mr. Perdomo, has allowed the group to draw in hundreds of recruits. (A high-ranking security official declined to quantify the Comandos’ size.)

“This isn’t like a guerrilla that works for an idea,” said one fighter. “Everything is about the money.”

‘They Destroyed Our Lives in an Instant.’

Across Colombia, confrontations between armed groups are at the highest level they’ve been since the peace deal was signed, according to the Special Jurisdiction for Peace, a court created by the deal to investigate the war.

Last year, more than 13,000 people were killed, the most since 2014.

There are now six separate conflicts in the country, according to the International Committee of the Red Cross, three of which involve ex-FARC groups.

In Putumayo, the Comandos are accused of carrying out murders, forced disappearances, arbitrary detentions and the “mobilization of terror,” according to Colombia’s ombudsman’s office, which is charged with tracking human rights violations. The Carolina Ramírez is just as brutal, the ombudsman says.

In August, a small town tucked off a bend in the Putumayo River became one of the most recent to come under siege. The community, a collection of modest wooden houses, was initially held by the Comandos. But three residents described how the Carolina Ramírez entered one day before dawn, rounded up locals and insisted that they were now in charge.

One woman, so distraught that she could barely tell her story, described waking as her husband came running into their home, telling her that he was about to die. Then came the sound of bullets and fighters who threatened to bomb her house if she did not let them in.

“I opened the door and got on my knees and begged them not to kill him,” she said. Her children watched as the men dragged their father away. Weeks later, the Carolina Ramírez released a video accusing her husband of working with the Comandos — and saying that he was dead.

Another woman in a different town in Putumayo described how armed men shot and killed her mother, a local official, and her stepfather, a former FARC fighter, one evening as their family watched helplessly. She was emotionless as she told the story, her eyes fixed on the floor before her.

“They destroyed our lives in an instant,” she said.

Defense Minister Diego Molano said in an interview that the military was making “every effort” to fight these new groups by redoubling its focus on taking out ringleaders, eradicating coca and demobilizing fighters.

“In general, we’ve contained the threat,” he said.

But after a recent operation in which the military announced it had killed 11 Comandos, civil society groups claimed that several of the dead were in fact civilians — and that the attack had taken place during a town fundraiser.

Mr. Molano denied these charges. “The operation was not against peasants, but FARC dissidents,” he tweeted. “It was not against innocent Indigenous people, but drug dealers.”

Colombia’s complex security problem was never going to be solved in a four-year presidential term. But critics say this new cycle of violence is being fueled by the government’s lack of commitment to the programs in the peace deal.

President Iván Duque, a conservative, once led a campaign to change the terms of the 2016 agreement, calling it too easy on the FARC. Since taking office in 2018, he has said he embraces the accord.

The numbers, however, tell a different story, his opponents say. By the time Mr. Duque, who is restricted to a single term, took charge, 22 percent of the deal had already been fully carried out, according to the Kroc Institute for International Peace Studies. During his tenure, he increased that proportion by 8 percentage points, according to the most recent data.

Mr. Duque has said that a third of the deal’s provisions are now fully implemented, putting the country on track to complete the accord within its 15-year mandate. But he will leave office this August following plummeting approval ratings that many say reflect both security concerns and a growing frustration with the ongoing lack of decent-paying jobs.

“This government has wasted the opportunity of the accord,” said Marco Romero, the director of Codhes, a human rights group, calling the current level of violence “scandalous.”

‘Smells Like War.’

Dozens of Comandos pitched their camp near the banks of the Putumayo, laying their beds between the trees and building a kitchen by a wooden farmhouse.

Here, the fighters strung up satellite internet amid the farmers’ cows and chickens, and brought in ice cream and tamales from a nearby town. They bought thick tiles of coca paste from nearby farmers — for sale to other narco-traffickers — and tested grenade launchers meant for their enemies, the Carolina Ramírez.

“Smells like war!” someone shouted as a grenade went flying into a nearby field.

While this new generation of armed groups has been largely fractured, security experts say they are beginning to see a clearer coalescence into two factions, both led by former FARC leaders who say they want to rebuild the insurgency.

The concern, said Kyle Johnson, an analyst with Conflict Responses, a nonprofit in Colombia, is that these alliances could move the violence from a patchwork of battles between small groups to a face-off between two large ones, setting up a nationwide conflict.

“It seems like it’s hard to find a worse scenario,” than the current one, Mr. Johnson said, “but that would be a much worse scenario.”

Perhaps the biggest difference between the old FARC and the Comandos is who they’re fighting. The FARC fought the state. But the Comandos do not attack the government, or consider it their enemy, said Mr. Perdomo, who himself spent more than a decade with the FARC.

In fact, it was a threat from another ex-FARC group — “join us or we’ll kill you” — that compelled him to form the Comandos, he said.

Hundreds of former FARC fighters have been killed since the peace deal, some by their former comrades, and many human rights groups say the state’s failure to protect former combatants is helping to drive rearmament.

Mr. Perdomo said his purpose was to protect ex-combatants and everyday Colombians from the brutality of the Carolina Ramírez. The goal, he said, was to “eradicate” the rival group, and then negotiate a more robust peace deal with authorities in the capital, Bogotá.

The drug business, he added, was merely “a means” to get there.

“We’re talking about defending our lives,” he said. “We don’t care about money. The only thing we really care about is that our society of brothers finds peace.”

But security analysts point out that the Comandos’ decision not to go after the government is also very good for their business: If they don’t attack the state, they’re less likely to provoke its firepower. Though it hasn’t prevented the government from going after them.

After breakfast one day, a group of fighters broke away to prepare for their two-week vacation, changing from camouflage into jeans and T-shirts, headed back to life with their families and friends.

With the sun near its height, they wrapped their guns in plastic and affixed the packages with name tags, handing them over for safekeeping while they were away. Then they climbed into a brightly colored motorboat and sped down the Putumayo for hours on end, beers and whiskeys in hand, music roaring behind them.

“Look, partner, let me warn you,” the Comandos sang to a popular tune, “a hundred of you, we’ll cut into pieces.”

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#3973: May 13th 2022 at 7:15:07 AM

And seen nobody coment it here I have to: Lula make some declaration about Rusia and Ucraine and said.....both are guilty for the war.

BRASILIA (Reuters) - Former Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva said Russia never should have invaded Ukraine, but he believes Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy is as much to blame for the war as Russian leader Vladimir Putin.

In an interview with Time magazine published on Wednesday, the leftist leader also said U.S. President Joe Biden could have done more to prevent the conflict instead of inciting it.

Lula, who is on Time's cover this week, is front-runner for the October elections when he hopes to deny far-right President Jair Bolsonaro re-election and return to office after the annulment last year of corruption convictions that had put him in jail.

Lula said it is irresponsible for Western leaders to celebrate Zelenskiy because they are encouraging war instead of focusing on closed-door negotiations to stop the fighting.

"I see the President of Ukraine, speaking on television, being applauded, getting a standing ovation by all the European parliamentarians," he told Time.

"This guy is as responsible as Putin for the war. Because in the war, there's not just one person guilty," he added.

Lula said Biden and European Union leaders failed to do enough to negotiate with Russia in the run-up to its invasion of Ukraine in February.

"The United States has a lot of political clout. And Biden could have avoided war, not incited it," he said. "Biden could have taken a plane to Moscow to talk to Putin. This is the kind of attitude you expect from a leader."

The United States and European Union could have avoided the invasion by stating that Ukraine would not join NATO, he said.

"Putin shouldn't have invaded Ukraine. But it's not just Putin who is guilty. The U.S. and the EU are also guilty," Lula said.

Is this what you US left harp about all the time.....bothsiding? because it kinda sorta looks like right now.

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#3974: May 13th 2022 at 7:36:40 AM

The EZLN rejected Putin's BS on de-Nazifying Ukraine and called out those on the LATAM Left who support Russia.

They then marched to show support for Ukraine.

It's important to remember that the EZLN are indigenistas above all and not anything seriously far-left, simply carrying on an existing agrarian socialism and indigenous activism.

Three years back, they rebuked a North American leftist magazine for being overly privileged and calling them 'not anarchist enough' by reminding them that they're an indigenous organization first and foremost.

It astounds me how the various stripes of ideologies grouped under "leftism" in the U.S. all try to praise the EZLN while actively ignoring their ideology or simultaneously praising people the EZLN doesn't even like. I remember when Lopez Obredor was running for president and lots of your typical socdems, the Bernie Sanders/Jeremy Corbyn supporting morons, were hyping him up as a "victory for leftism" in Mexico. The EZLN was always against Lopez Obredor and said as such. And now look what's going on. Lopez Obredor is still trying to build a railroad through Mayan land, he's strengthened the military, and he's collaborated with American immigration policy to deport and terrorize Central American migrants.

And of course, anarchists have an obsessive fetish with the EZLN (and the YPG in Syria) because they're desperate to prove their pathetic excuse of an ideology works. It's pure tokenism on their part.

Taking one bit of that letter of the EZLN, can I just add the "coexistence/acceptance with Catholicism/religion" as one of the big Values Dissonance I get from the Global North left? Because honestly here you don't get that sort of attitude except from rather fringe movements.

With a lot of the scandals that rocked the Catholic Church over the past few decades, cynicism isn't unexpected, but I don't see it as totally being values dissonance. Mi abuelita has even had some cynicism regarding the Church, though she's still a believer.

Edited by Diana1969 on May 14th 2022 at 12:40:44 AM

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#3975: May 13th 2022 at 8:01:19 AM

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Lula, I swear, I'm trying to like you, can't you try to avoid bothsiding?

I mean shit, what the hell are you even implying with those words Lula? That Zelenskyy should have kept dragging on his feet and give as many concessions to Putin as he wanted? Or that Ukraine should have accepted that it's Russia's vassal and not tried to move freely?

I swear to God, I can't believe how you hear this sort of bullshit from leaders of the one region in which people should know very well how awful it is to be treated like someone's backyard.

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You got to admit though, some of the impressions you get from the Global North left is that they lean into an Outgrown Such Silly Superstitions attitude when it comes to religion.

Instead of focusing on relatives that divide us, maybe we should try to find the absolutes that tie us.

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